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Zé Tahir

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Of course I have asked myself why religion exists. We all agree it has a function. Not for me however. But there's no such thing as a need for institutional religion. This is not a basic human need.

Like I have said before, it doesn't have anything to do with Islam or Christianity. The content of both religions doesn't even matter. Just look at the crusades for that matter. Violence is not condoned by christianity, but they still happened, didn't they?

The "we" obviously isn't a group. The "we" is society. Now I reckon you don't want to destroy society. We could all go our separate ways I guess, but it's not something I'd recommend.
Godlessness and without religion you get people only concerned about worldly matters and become materialists. The latter doesn't have to be proven; it's self-evident. We see it every day; this world is closely becoming more and more selfish and material, and you can't defend that.

If it's not the content of the religions you have a problem with then that means it's the recipient of the source you have a problem with, at least the minority that causes the problems. Then you must realize that religion does do good. So why not try to try to deal with those 'believers' that cause the problems? In my opinion, education is the best tool. It is our duty to teach these people about tolerance and not take away from them their religion, because as far as I know there are no religions that preach hatred. There are so many religious people that don't cause any problems; it's not fair to them to be accused because of the few that do. That's all I'm saying.

Lastly, you're only pissed I took muslims as an example :D.
I felt I had to say something because you happen to mentioned it :D
 

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Jan 7, 2004
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According to the al-Eqtisadiah daily, firemen confronted police after they tried to keep the girls inside because they were not wearing the headscarves and abayas (black robes) required by the kingdom's strict interpretation of Islam.

One witness said he saw three policemen "beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya".
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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well at least i ain't scared of my being hit by lightning because i ate pork
:lol2:

According to the al-Eqtisadiah daily, firemen confronted police after they tried to keep the girls inside because they were not wearing the headscarves and abayas (black robes) required by the kingdom's strict interpretation of Islam.

One witness said he saw three policemen "beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya".
You're as ignorant as they come. You can continue posting these things, they don't bother me the least.

edit: Coming from the guy who posted this about another matter, you're awfully picky about what you chose to believe and what you don't.

i think i have grown out of the micheal moore films. this guy is not after the truth he has a possittion and all he does is get facts or better, opinions, to support his possition. everytime me was interviewing someone i felt like so many issues were left unressolved and so many more questions could be asked.
 
Aug 1, 2003
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with all due respect, there is a distinct difference between arabic culture and islam IMO, and the arabs have mixed these two a lot, and the media chooses to portray this. what you see may not be what islam condones, just pure arab culture. dont believe the bs the media shows you, there's only one source if you really want to understand islam and muslims, and that's the Quran.
 

Bjerknes

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Andy, the reason I don´t talk (debate) with you is because you are an idiot. And nor just a regular idiot. You are a one-time idiot people get to see in their whole life.
:rofl: No no no, son. The reason why you do not debate with me is because you cannot. If you could debate with me, you'd at least try and have a breakthrough regarding some points, but you never have any arguments. You simply post your own opinion without giving a decent argument to support your opinions, and would rather quote someone such as denco and tell him, "great post man, you rule." That is what one would label a bitch of a poster.

1) First of all, you picked on me a while ago and I even don´t know why. You never gave me a good reason why you hate me. I´m still waiting for it.
Of course you wouldn't have a clue why... you are not able to sustain decent arguments because you're not even capable of supplying us with one. I wouldn't say I abhor you, however, as there are far more worthless people in the world besides yourself. But exact reason why I insult you a few times per week is you add nothing to this forum besides taunts, headshakes and imbecilic opinions. You are asked to give reasoning behind your opinions, yet you always dodge the subject like you're playing forum dodgeball. Such as the "Serie A sucks" case against you, for some reason, you always love to make such posts, which makes you look like an utter idiot. It's not only myself who believes you are, by the way. You cannot handle my arguments on football... that's why you're so hostel towards me... along with my insults towards you. But rest assured, you deserve them.

2) Second of all, you don´t know how to talk to a human being. You continuosly insult. You can´t say one sentence without "fuck", "shit" or "retard". These are the main words in you vocabulary. I happen to hate people who use much of that kind of words, and when I see you talking like that I immediately lose my will of talking. What are you anyway? A 15 year old retard kid that pretends to be a gangsta repper? Because, one person you remind of is a younger and dumber version of Eminem.
:howler: You couldn't be further off the mark. So just because I insult you, you believe that I cannot have a decent discussion with anybody else in this place? For your information, I have had several great discussions with people I've fought with over the past, simply because they started to provide arguments or have sense regarding football or aspects of life. Take Seven for example. We've clashed several times in the past, but that doesn't mean we cannot have a decent discussion from time to time. Sure, we're both assholes, but we can discuss without having to resort to insults.

And most of the forum knows that I can converse in a friendly manner, so once again you are unable to provide a decent argument. You're simply upset at the fact you recieve insults from me, but I don't dish them out to many others.

3) I don´t often have time to debate is because I am on work, you fucking moron. Did you ever think of that? My reason of not debating is because I have a busy schedule everyday. That´s why I often post short or simple posts, not because I don´t know how to talk, write or spell. (example: Vinman). For your info, I went 10 years to English course and have 3 diplomas: PET, AEU and CAM. I don´t recall what these letters stand for, but when I check I will let you know.
If you don't have time to debate, why are you online during work in the first place? Isn't that a little irresponsible? I don't give a French ass whether you're supposedly too "busy" at work to provide arguments. If you're too busy, perhaps you should concentrate on work instead of making inane posts that are mockeries to the forum. I've certainly noticed the fact you rarely provide arguments, and you cannot blame me for blasting you because of that.

You post supposed opinions such as, "Serie A sucks," without a proper argument, you better damn well expect people to insult you. I'd expect the same for myself.

4) You are a college boy. You either study, get drunk or post on Internet. Do you see how sad is your life? Your biggest pleasure in life is posting on Juventuz.com. That is your virtual life because you don´t have a real one. A proof is that you have 25,000 posts. So, it is not strange that you care much about certain threads and posters. When you don´t like or understand certain opinions then you go on abusing that posters, like Tonykart and me for example.
So what, you're blasting me for being a college student? Is there honestly a problem with being a student at a university? I attend one of the top universities in the nation, majoring in something nothingless than ground-breaking, enjoying my time at one of the best college towns in the world. So please, what is wrong with that? This is simply another one of your inane arguments that amount to nothing, but I know, you can't provide much else. At least you're TRYING to provide an argument now.

You, on the otherhand, apparently do not have enough time to provide arguments during work, but yet you still log on to Juventuz while you're on the clock. Does that make any sense? If you'd surely be too busy, you wouldn't log onto Juventuz at all. Hell, swag logs into Juventuz during work, but he makes useful posts during that time, so you have no excuse to be honest. In fact, you really shoot yourself in the foot for telling us these facts.

5) You are not intelligent because you know something about weather. Like Seven said, intelligence can be measured only by IQ. And even if a person is smart, it can only use a certain percentage of its abilities, so an incredibly intelligent person doersn´t have to sound smart too.
I never said I was intelligent because I study meteorology. However, let this be known, you must have a decent IQ at least to graduate from the number one meteorology school in the world.

And again, I don't blast you for anything else besides your lack of arguments, along with your imbecilic opinions which you never back up.

6) You don´t even know me. The "real" me. Nobody in this Forum does. I can post whatever I want and I can pretend to be a dumb asshole but that doesn´t mean I really am dumb in real life.
So what, is that an admission you've posted some really dumb stuff during your time here? Who on earth would pretend to be a dumb asshole all the while trying to be serious? Jesus Christ, you make no sense whatsoever. If you're going to act like an idiot, at least be a little comical.

7) Until few months ago I was getting along very good with your best friend Burke until you (of course) turned him against me. Even though he is often very drunk (or he pretends to be) and he usually uses similar vocabulary, he is a lot smarter than you. He just doesn´t want to hurt your feelings and "agrees" with you on every aspect.
At lot of imbeciles such as yourself have used the same argument. However, you know nothing about Burke. The reason why he got along with you is because you lik Bayern Munich, which is completely obvious. If you liked Manure he'd rip into you just as much as I do, but of course I cannot expect a dunce such as you to understand that. And wow, you like Bayern, what a surprise. Burke and I have been friends for a long time, much longer than our time at the forum.

All of your arguments against me are that of a person who is reaching for straws here. You have nothing against me, you never ever had anything against me, and you never ever have any useful opinions or arguments. You're simply a neanderthal who should revert to learning the basics of life before passing away. Because you, sir, are far behind the pack, not only in persuasive communication, but hereditary intelligence. Perhaps you have a genetic disorder, or something.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Godlessness and without religion you get people only concerned about worldly matters and become materialists. The latter doesn't have to be proven; it's self-evident. We see it every day; this world is closely becoming more and more selfish and material, and you can't defend that.

If it's not the content of the religions you have a problem with then that means it's the recipient of the source you have a problem with, at least the minority that causes the problems. Then you must realize that religion does do good. So why not try to try to deal with those 'believers' that cause the problems? In my opinion, education is the best tool. It is our duty to teach these people about tolerance and not take away from them their religion, because as far as I know there are no religions that preach hatred. There are so many religious people that don't cause any problems; it's not fair to them to be accused because of the few that do. That's all I'm saying.
Good post, but people such as Seven have agendas. They believe religion is the bane to the world, which, in my opinion, is yet another extremist view.

I don't give a fuck what anybody believes, but there will be extremist views regarding anything because greed is what drives many human beings. Without religion, you'd have several more countries at war for territory and wealth, similary to nowadays except we have Zionists patrolling the globe.

What people such as Andries fails to realize, the human race will always find something to fight about. It's in OUR nature. Not only religions.
 

Ahmed

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Bjerknes

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well at first i just thought that u were retarded and felt sorry for u but its clear that u r an ignorant bigot who does not have a clue about half the stuff u talk about...so get a fucking education 1st before u post things...u want me to post pictures of Catholic priests caught sexually abusing choir boys?
Idiotic post. Bes hates all religions, not just Islam. It's idiotic to think that he has any stake in Catholicism, because he doesn't. And if you're only objective is to place blame on others, then you sir need to rethink things.
 

Ahmed

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who am I blaming for anything? and I have only seen him post stuff about Islam so i didn't know about him being an atheist...I of course am not trying to attack Catholicism to take revenge...was merely giving an example and my intention was not to insult Catholics
 

Zé Tahir

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Good post, but people such as Seven have agendas. They believe religion is the bane to the world, which, in my opinion, is yet another extremist view.

I don't give a fuck what anybody believes, but there will be extremist views regarding anything because greed is what drives many human beings. Without religion, you'd have several more countries at war for territory and wealth, similary to nowadays except we have Zionists patrolling the globe.

What people such as Andries fails to realize, the human race will always find something to fight about. It's in OUR nature. Not only religions.
I don't get people like him. I mean here I am, a Muslim. I think I represent my religion fairly well, not perfectly but fairly well. Have I ever done something on the forums that'll give anyone the impression that I'll let a group of girls burn up in a fire because they weren't properly dressed? What's the point of posting articles to prove that Muslims are vicious people to someone who's Muslim and doesn't remotely condone it. Or does this make me a 'modern' Muslim? A 'liberal' Muslim? A Muslim with Western thought? The fact of the matter is that I'm a Muslim no matter how you cut it, and there's not a single person in the world who can say otherwise or make me say otherwise.

Is it just the fact that letting a group of girls burn to death makes the front pages and I don't? I don't understand the logic behind it. What's makes it even more amusing is the fact that Bes likes to write-off Michael Moore because of his one-sided story telling but writes Islam off because of what he reads in the papers. There are over a billion Muslims in the world, that includes me. Yet Bes decides to look to these fools.

The icing on the cake is that 99% of the people I've come across, and that includes our dear Bes, have not read a single chapter of the Qur'an. How can you accuse someone of something you're not aware of. In every instance of life you research things. Before a surgeon goes in for surgery he finds out what he's dealing with; when you go to war you study your enemy; when you take a test you study the contents of it. Yet when you attempt to prove that a certain religion or religion in general is wrong you take various articles and paste them on a forum to prove your point. Bravo.

with all due respect, there is a distinct difference between arabic culture and islam IMO, and the arabs have mixed these two a lot, and the media chooses to portray this. what you see may not be what islam condones, just pure arab culture. dont believe the bs the media shows you, there's only one source if you really want to understand islam and muslims, and that's the Quran.
With all due respect but blaming someone else is not going to get you or us anywhere. This has nothing to do with any religion or any culture. It's just pure idiocy if you ask me. We all know that the Qur'an says killing one human being is like killing of all of mankind ergo saving one soul is that of saving all of mankind. Besides, saying that this is Arabic culture means that it's the culture of Prophet Muhammad (saw). Are you willing to stand by that?
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Good post, but people such as Seven have agendas. They believe religion is the bane to the world, which, in my opinion, is yet another extremist view.

I don't give a fuck what anybody believes, but there will be extremist views regarding anything because greed is what drives many human beings. Without religion, you'd have several more countries at war for territory and wealth, similary to nowadays except we have Zionists patrolling the globe.

What people such as Andries fails to realize, the human race will always find something to fight about. It's in OUR nature. Not only religions.
You fail to realise one important thing:

I never said religion was a cause for war. It's something people will use to make others go to war. The WTC was not blown to pieces because of the Islam. There are other, practical issues that are responsible. But institutionalised religion is something that needs to be banned, simply because some guys are able to control masses of human beings by it.

And don't get me started on your tolerance bullshit btw.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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I don't get people like him. I mean here I am, a Muslim. I think I represent my religion fairly well, not perfectly but fairly well. Have I ever done something on the forums that'll give anyone the impression that I'll let a group of girls burn up in a fire because they weren't properly dressed? What's the point of posting articles to prove that Muslims are vicious people to someone who's Muslim and doesn't remotely condone it. Or does this make me a 'modern' Muslim? A 'liberal' Muslim? A Muslim with Western thought? The fact of the matter is that I'm a Muslim no matter how you cut it, and there's not a single person in the world who can say otherwise or make me say otherwise.

Is it just the fact that letting a group of girls burn to death makes the front pages and I don't? I don't understand the logic behind it. What's makes it even more amusing is the fact that Bes likes to write-off Michael Moore because of his one-sided story telling but writes Islam off because of what he reads in the papers. There are over a billion Muslims in the world, that includes me. Yet Bes decides to look to these fools.

The icing on the cake is that 99% of the people I've come across, and that includes our dear Bes, have not read a single chapter of the Qur'an. How can you accuse someone of something you're not aware of. In every instance of life you research things. Before a surgeon goes in for surgery he finds out what he's dealing with; when you go to war you study your enemy; when you take a test you study the contents of it. Yet when you attempt to prove that a certain religion or religion in general is wrong you take various articles and paste them on a forum to prove your point. Bravo.



With all due respect but blaming someone else is not going to get you or us anywhere. This has nothing to do with any religion or any culture. It's just pure idiocy if you ask me. We all know that the Qur'an says killing one human being is like killing of all of mankind ergo saving one soul is that of saving all of mankind. Besides, saying that this is Arabic culture means that it's the culture of Prophet Muhammad (saw). Are you willing to stand by that?
Just answer me this, will you?

How many times do you see an atheist suicide bombing a building?

Now how many times do you a muslim doing it? I'm not drawing a final conclusion here, but you have to admit it's rather odd. The fact you might not to do it doesn't really prove anything. You'd have to be a fucking retard not to be scared of those groups of muslims doing whatever it is they do somewhere in the desert. I know, that's a very harsh statement, but I'm not exactly Bush's boyfriend, so if even I'm not okay with the way Islam is being used you might want to think about it.

Religion is being used consistently. You also said religion did a lot of good things for mankind. That's true. It did in the Middle Ages. Meanwhile social security has become quite dechristianised in Western Europe...
 
Sep 1, 2002
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who am I blaming for anything? and I have only seen him post stuff about Islam so i didn't know about him being an atheist...I of course am not trying to attack Catholicism to take revenge...was merely giving an example and my intention was not to insult Catholics
You of course, are not an "!ignorant bigot " (sic) with a hatred of homosexuals!
 
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