The causality approach (7 Viewers)

[Hist]

That's not a fair question, Martin. We find it ridiculous, because we see Muhammad from a certain perspective. You see, we don't care about other believers. Whether or not they believe holds no relevance to us. In the eyes of a muslim (or a christian) the fact that many people believe is extremely relevant. They think that because many people believe it to be true, it must be. There must have been something about Muhammad that made people believe.

Seven becoming a theist

 

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[Seven]

Seven becoming a theist

I still think it's stupid, but we grew up in an individualistic culture. We make up our own minds. Others don't.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

That's not a fair question, Martin. We find it ridiculous, because we see Muhammad from a certain perspective. You see, we don't care about other believers. Whether or not they believe holds no relevance to us. In the eyes of a muslim (or a christian) the fact that many people believe is extremely relevant. They think that because many people believe it to be true, it must be. There must have been something about Muhammad that made people believe.

This is by far the most ridiculous post in this thread, maybe the whole religion section as well.

 

[Seven]

This is by far the most ridiculous post in this thread, maybe the whole religion section as well.

It's the only reason you believe in the Quran.

 

[Martin]

If he can prove it better than Mohammed then why not?

I'd even admit Mohammed was a lier and I was mistaken.


Believe doesn't always make sense or sound logical, you know it I know it.

I think you probably just said the same thing that Seven said just now. That it seems illogical, but since a lot of people believe it, there must be something to it.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

I'm in law school you moron. I hold a bachelor's degree in history and speak four languages. What's the problem? You think I don't have enough education?

And you're wrong, again. It's semantics here.

There is a possibility, but it didn't happen according to you. That doesn't mean the possibility is not there. Do you understand the point I'm trying to make?

You have obvious problems in understanding math and logic.

 

[Seven]

You have obvious problems in understanding math and logic.

Perhaps you should ask others on this forum if they think you are more capable of fabricating logical ideas than I am .

If anyone is rational here, it's me.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

I still think it's stupid, but we grew up in an individualistic culture. We make up our own minds. Others don't.

Sorry, this IS the must ridiculous post.

You never fail to impress me.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Perhaps you should ask others on this forum if they think you are more capable of fabricating logical ideas than I am .

If anyone is rational here, it's me.

Others like who?

 

[Seven]

Sorry, this IS the must ridiculous post.

You never fail to impress me.

You honestly believe that if there was no muslim other than you, you'd still think Mohammed was the prophet?

 

[Seven]

Others like who?

Doesn't matter. No honest person will claim you are more reasonable.

It took you four posts to understand the difference of saying something is not possible and saying something didn't happen.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

I think you probably just said the same thing that Seven said just now. That it seems illogical, but since a lot of people believe it, there must be something to it.

Do you really think I believe it because there is millions of other people who believe it too?

You don't think I'm that stupid, do you?

 

[Seven]

Do you really think I believe it because there is millions of other people who believe it too?

You don't think I'm that stupid, do you?

Of course that's why you believe it. Stop lying to yourself.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

You honestly believe that if there was no muslim other than you, you'd still think Mohammed was the prophet?

It would change nothing.

Doesn't matter. No honest person will claim you are more reasonable.

It took you four posts to understand the difference of saying something is not possible and saying something didn't happen.

It does matter... what is the point of your previous post if it doesn't matter?

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Of course that's why you believe it. Stop lying to yourself.

Now you can know when I lie to myself too

 

[Martin]

Do you really think I believe it because there is millions of other people who believe it too?

You don't think I'm that stupid, do you?

No, that's not why you alone believe. It's why everyone does. It's the same reason you won't go into a restaurant if there isn't anyone inside, it seems suspicious. But something that is popular seems well tested enough purely because a lot of other people have been convinced. This is how religion works, you don't have to convince every person fully, it's the fact that there is a group of believers that functions as a stamp of approval to new arrivals.

And it's not about being stupid, it's crowd psychology. People affect each other, more than they realize. And it's common knowledge. It's way harder to convince people of something if you can't point at a bunch of other people who have already been convinced.

It's like waiting for the bus. If there are people at the bus stop, that gives you reason to think they know something, they know there is a bus coming. If there was noone at the bus stop, you might think maybe there is no bus, maybe the bus route changed, maybe the bus drivers are on strike etc. You would be a lot more reluctant to draw the same conclusion: that a bus is coming.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

If anyone is interested to know what Seven adds to an argument just compare quality of the first 50 posts of this thread (without Seven) with ones of the last two pages (with Seven).

He certainly add things like: "you are a moron", "you can't understand", "you are lying to yourself"...

 

[DelpieroForLife]

No, that's not why you alone believe. It's why everyone does. It's the same reason you won't go into a restaurant if there isn't anyone inside, it seems suspicious. But something that is popular seems well tested enough purely because a lot of other people have been convinced. This is how religion works, you don't have to convince every person fully, it's the fact that there is a group of believers that functions as a stamp of approval to new arrivals.

And it's not about being stupid, it's crowd psychology. People affect each other, more than they realize. And it's common knowledge. It's way harder to convince people of something if you can't point at a bunch of other people who have already been convinced.

It's like waiting for the bus. If there are people at the bus stop, that gives you reason to think they know something, they know there is a bus coming. If there was noone at the bus stop, you might think maybe there is no bus, maybe the bus route changed, maybe the bus drivers are on strike etc. You would be a lot more reluctant to draw the same conclusion: that a bus is coming.

Atheist is so popular in here, why not then?

 

[Hist]

No, that's not why you alone believe. It's why everyone does. It's the same reason you won't go into a restaurant if there isn't anyone inside, it seems suspicious. But something that is popular seems well tested enough purely because a lot of other people have been convinced. This is how religion works, you don't have to convince every person fully, it's the fact that there is a group of believers that functions as a stamp of approval to new arrivals.

And it's not about being stupid, it's crowd psychology. People affect each other, more than they realize. And it's common knowledge. It's way harder to convince people of something if you can't point at a bunch of other people who have already been convinced.

It's like waiting for the bus. If there are people at the bus stop, that gives you reason to think they know something, they know there is a bus coming. If there was noone at the bus stop, you might think maybe there is no bus, maybe the bus route changed, maybe the bus drivers are on strike etc. You would be a lot more reluctant to draw the same conclusion: that a bus is coming.

I agree with this. I see belief is a habit of culture.
Almost not 1 muslim I know knows exactly why he is muslim. Same thing for christians

 

[Martin]

Atheist is so popular in here, why not then?

what?