The causality approach (2 Viewers)
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Fundamentally we agree, but we just formulate it differently, because we define some concepts differently. I'd rather say that "we cannot know how the universe started, period". Because we can only fundamentally describe something in terms of causality, and this 'most fundamental mechanism' that caused our universe, is by definition acausal, and therefore incomprehensible for us.
Yeah this is exactly what I've been trying to tell atheists for a long time. It's merely a belief system too, and therefore isn't any better than believing that there is a creator. One suggests something, the other rejects everything.
P.S.: I'm glad we're finally discussing all this without referring to religion, because I don't care about discussing it at a religious level at all.
Yeah this is exactly what I've been trying to tell atheists for a long time. It's merely a belief system too, and therefore isn't any better than believing that there is a creator. One suggests something, the other rejects everything.
P.S.: I'm glad we're finally discussing all this without referring to religion, because I don't care about discussing it at a religious level at all.
@ Martin
First logically speaking God can never show himself to anyone in the chessboard unless he do it in the form of something IN the chessboard itself (unless he want to brake the rules of the chessboard he created and he WILL one day
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God translated Quran to Mohammed through an Angel named (جبريل piece by piece, Quran pretty much summed everything God wanted to explain to humanity (ethics, principles, moral, rules....).
This is what he did, as short as possible.
First logically speaking God can never show himself to anyone in the chessboard unless he do it in the form of something IN the chessboard itself (unless he want to brake the rules of the chessboard he created and he WILL one day
).God translated Quran to Mohammed through an Angel named (جبريل
piece by piece, Quran pretty much summed everything God wanted to explain to humanity (ethics, principles, moral, rules....).This is what he did, as short as possible.
@ Martin
First logically speaking God can never show himself to anyone in the chessboard unless he do it in the form of something IN the chessboard itself (unless he want to brake the rules of the chessboard he created and he WILL one day).
God translated Quran to Mohammed through an Angel named (جبريل piece by piece, Quran pretty much summed everything God wanted to explain to humanity (ethics, principles, moral, rules....).
This is what he did, as short as possible.
First logically speaking God can never show himself to anyone in the chessboard unless he do it in the form of something IN the chessboard itself (unless he want to brake the rules of the chessboard he created and he WILL one day
).God translated Quran to Mohammed through an Angel named (جبريل
piece by piece, Quran pretty much summed everything God wanted to explain to humanity (ethics, principles, moral, rules....).This is what he did, as short as possible.
That's not a fair question, Martin. We find it ridiculous, because we see Muhammad from a certain perspective. You see, we don't care about other believers. Whether or not they believe holds no relevance to us. In the eyes of a muslim (or a christian) the fact that many people believe is extremely relevant. They think that because many people believe it to be true, it must be. There must have been something about Muhammad that made people believe.
I'm in law school you moron. I hold a bachelor's degree in history and speak four languages. What's the problem? You think I don't have enough education?
And you're wrong, again. It's semantics here.
There is a possibility, but it didn't happen according to you. That doesn't mean the possibility is not there. Do you understand the point I'm trying to make?
And you're wrong, again. It's semantics here.
There is a possibility, but it didn't happen according to you. That doesn't mean the possibility is not there. Do you understand the point I'm trying to make?