The 4-yr. old Preacher (16 Viewers)
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I need money and I need it NOW!
I think Bachmann should become prez. I love her ability to connect recent events to each other.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2011/08/michele_bachmann_god_caused_ea.html
I think Bachmann should become prez. I love her ability to connect recent events to each other.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2011/08/michele_bachmann_god_caused_ea.html
Sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound like the salvation of others is not important, because it's very important. All I'm saying is that it's silly to be worrying about people in the Amazon when you yourself have heard the Gospel. When you stand before God and he asks you why you didn't believe in his Son, there won't be much point in saying "but God, what about the African tribes?"
Acts 4:12 - Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.
They didn't know about him per se, but they had faith in God and put their hope in the Messiah that was to come. So even people in the Old Testament were ultimately saved by the work of Jesus.
The whole of Romans 4 is devoted to this topic. Romans 4:1-3 - 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
I never said it was fair, and it's not meant to be. See, mankind has this attitude that we deserve to be saved. Do you know what would have been fair? If God had spared his son and cast us all into hell. That's fair.
I do believe that every single human being since the beginning of mankind sinned. If you look at what constitutes sin in the Bible, I'm sure nobody meets the standard. 'Original sin' doesn't refer to us being guilty of the actual sin of Adam, but the sinful nature was introduced to humanity.
Re: the sacrificial system, it's not that God was 'trying it out' but it failed. The law, commandments and sacrificial system all point to the fact that people are utterly helpless to save themselves.
You're right, it is a lot of sacrifice for a race of people that will largely reject him.
But when I said 'they could be saved', I'm referring to ability rather than possibility. Everyone who genuinely trusts in Jesus will be saved with absolute certainty, but not everyone will call upon his name.
Sorry, I don't quite understand the contradiction you're pointing out. Could you please clarify?
I personally don't believe in this. Jesus says "I am the way and the truth and the life". I can't subscribe to a view that allows for salvation without Jesus, as if it's better to live without hearing the Gospel.
Is this to say that everyone who hasn't heard the Gospel will be saved? Surely not.
Acts 4:12 - Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.
They didn't know about him per se, but they had faith in God and put their hope in the Messiah that was to come. So even people in the Old Testament were ultimately saved by the work of Jesus.
The whole of Romans 4 is devoted to this topic. Romans 4:1-3 - 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
I never said it was fair, and it's not meant to be. See, mankind has this attitude that we deserve to be saved. Do you know what would have been fair? If God had spared his son and cast us all into hell. That's fair.
I do believe that every single human being since the beginning of mankind sinned. If you look at what constitutes sin in the Bible, I'm sure nobody meets the standard. 'Original sin' doesn't refer to us being guilty of the actual sin of Adam, but the sinful nature was introduced to humanity.
Re: the sacrificial system, it's not that God was 'trying it out' but it failed. The law, commandments and sacrificial system all point to the fact that people are utterly helpless to save themselves.
You're right, it is a lot of sacrifice for a race of people that will largely reject him.
But when I said 'they could be saved', I'm referring to ability rather than possibility. Everyone who genuinely trusts in Jesus will be saved with absolute certainty, but not everyone will call upon his name.
Sorry, I don't quite understand the contradiction you're pointing out. Could you please clarify?
I personally don't believe in this. Jesus says "I am the way and the truth and the life". I can't subscribe to a view that allows for salvation without Jesus, as if it's better to live without hearing the Gospel.
Is this to say that everyone who hasn't heard the Gospel will be saved? Surely not.
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How can there be multiple causes to one effect? How can the Abrahamic god create the earth and heaven 10000 years ago while Brahma created it billions or trillions of years ago? How is this possible? And all this be true when there's no shred of evidence to support either claim conclusively? Why should I believe any of them when science, with evidence, points to something different altogether?
How can there be multiple morality systems and judgement systems and heaven and hells? How can I be born into a Hindu family, and be taught that the Hindu gods will judge me(which god? Take your fuckin' pick!) while I see Andrea and Gray here tell me it is only Jesus, and you tell me it's only Allah? Is this really feasible?
So what do I believe? That all of these conflicting truth claims are real, or not?
Go waste your prayers on something better than me. There's no way I'm turning towards religion ever again. Be it my religion or yours. It's futile. It's like praying for the sun to rise in the west instead of the east tomorrow. NOT. GONNA. HAPPEN.
Why Christ? Why not Allah or Yahweh or the thousands of Hindu gods? Just because YOU were born into it and made to believe it, we are supposed to believe in it also? Yeah right. Try accepting Buddha as your saviour! :groan:
How can there be multiple morality systems and judgement systems and heaven and hells? How can I be born into a Hindu family, and be taught that the Hindu gods will judge me(which god? Take your fuckin' pick!) while I see Andrea and Gray here tell me it is only Jesus, and you tell me it's only Allah? Is this really feasible?
So what do I believe? That all of these conflicting truth claims are real, or not?
Well you're wrong about the "there's no turning back" part 
If you don't believe in God, some stranger praying for you from the other side of the world shouldn't faze you. If we believe what we believe, then praying for you is one of the greatest acts of love and respect we can do.
Also, just to clarify, being a good enough person and having strong faith isn't what saves us - it's accepting that Christ alone can atone for our sins that we're saved.
If you don't believe in God, some stranger praying for you from the other side of the world shouldn't faze you. If we believe what we believe, then praying for you is one of the greatest acts of love and respect we can do.
Also, just to clarify, being a good enough person and having strong faith isn't what saves us - it's accepting that Christ alone can atone for our sins that we're saved.
Why Christ? Why not Allah or Yahweh or the thousands of Hindu gods? Just because YOU were born into it and made to believe it, we are supposed to believe in it also? Yeah right. Try accepting Buddha as your saviour! :groan:
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Not only revealing himself to those people, but even telling them about morality and what's a good deed and what's a sin. Suppose pre-historic man killed another man over food or women. If there was no god or bible to tell him that what he was doing is a sin, how can he be judged? That's like being charged for speeding but seeing no street signs mentioning the speed limit.
That's an excellent way to put the burden of proof off of you and onto the questioner. Bravo!
Why in the final minutes? If Jesus was gonna make a cameo in our disbelieving life, then why not call on us the minute we started believing in the wrong god? Or the minute we are born? Why does he have to exploit the fear of death to make you believe in him?
That's an excellent way to put the burden of proof off of you and onto the questioner. Bravo!
Why in the final minutes? If Jesus was gonna make a cameo in our disbelieving life, then why not call on us the minute we started believing in the wrong god? Or the minute we are born? Why does he have to exploit the fear of death to make you believe in him?
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I agree with everything up to the last part above. First off I said that if the person never heard of Jesus they would be saved according to their fruits. You say you don't believe it? Yet you use abraham as an example of someone saved without Jesus. So if abraham lived a Godly life and the amazon tribes men do with the knowledge they have, how is that different?
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It's not Jesus talking to me. It's you talking to me. If you're gonna insist that he talks through men like you and not himself directly, then I'm not buying it.
Angry? Maybe. But I don't see how it's disrespectful. All this while, I've shown a lot of respect to both religions primarily being discussed here. Don't mistake my opposing point of view as being disrespectful.
Angry? Maybe. But I don't see how it's disrespectful. All this while, I've shown a lot of respect to both religions primarily being discussed here. Don't mistake my opposing point of view as being disrespectful.
Cos there's no way for me of validating that claim. I could claim that Allah is talking through me right now and is telling you Christianity is false, and Islam is the true religion of man. How will you validate or disprove this?
Word.
I could claim that Allah is talking through me right now and is telling you Christianity is false, and Islam is the true religion of man. How will you validate or disprove this?Word.
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I had a switch of god. It's the Flying Spaghetti Monster talking through me right now. It's reaching out to you(through me) to make you realize the great folly of following Christianity. It's a calling to save you from yourself and the false religions around this world. It's giving you a chance to embrace the Pastafarian church and find true salvation through the words and dishes of the great Flying Spaghetti Monster. Heed my word, and thou shall be saved.
RAMEN!
Now, Andrea, can you believe me or the great Flying Spaghetti Monster?
RAMEN!
Now, Andrea, can you believe me or the great Flying Spaghetti Monster?
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