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I stated it was open to interpretation, read my posts. I asked Andrea to clarify what he meant by 'true Christians' I didn't say there was a complete definition of it whatsoever. He contended that a significant majority of Christians in Ireland were proper Christians, so I asked him to clarify because of this. Funnily enough, before you stuck your oar in Andrea and I had a nice relevant discussion about our belief systems where both he and I respected each others viewpoints and tried to explain our worldview, specifically what we consider 'Atheists' and 'Christians' yet somehow I've come out as the arrogant antagonistic atheist despite it now being the case, at least in this instance . To me, if you believe in the Christian god AND try to live your live along a Christian moral path, I consider you Christian, Andrea apparently didn't and that's what that post was all about. Some people can interpret what I posted as being 'true Christianity' but I don't and never said I did.
I'm endeavouring to show you the 'respect'(as in what you deem respect, I'm not saying you don't deserve to be respected) that you deserve so I'll just put a general response to the 'IZ is an ignorant moron that has never read any holy scriptures and uses internet quotes to form his worldview' diatribe that you are peddling.
Firstly, you are portraying me as having not read the bible, torah or Koran. I have not read to Torah and I never intend to. I've owned a bible since birth and used to attend bible study as a young man. I own a translated copy of the Koran which I find fascinating mostly because there are a few passages relating to actual evolutionary theory. I'll be the first to admit that I do not currently have these books in my regular reading rotation. You have a vision of me that is inherently false and you are behaving as bad, if not worse than the manner you are apparently chiding me in.
Secondly,I didn't espouse any hate, that is yourself manifesting something that isn't there and using scant evidence to support it, which I believe is you, yet again acting in the way you are accusing me.
Finally, I find it highly hypocritical that a man who follows decided canonical Christianity is lecturing me on not have the 'whole picture' and 'picking and choosing'.
Now, normally I would have just either ignored you or laughed of your paltry attempts and self-righteousness but I felt it warrant and thought-out and semi-respectful response and I'd be more than glad to engage you on fair terms should the situation merit it about the right to practice, secularisation, contemporary 'atheism' or another one of those topics./ tactful as possible response
But if you want to stay in your little victim mode and spout off as much BS as you think necessary then feel free, I won't get too bent out of shape about yet another asinine attack from somebody who quite frankly does not deserve the level of respect being afforded to him given his repeated rebuffing of my attempts to take a conciliatory tone.
Kind Regards,
Ignorant Atheist.
PS: If you don't like it, put me on your ignore list or just generally get over it.
Funny how you are supporting his tirade against me, considering I was the one person agreeing with the very viewpoint in this post
I'm endeavouring to show you the 'respect'(as in what you deem respect, I'm not saying you don't deserve to be respected) that you deserve so I'll just put a general response to the 'IZ is an ignorant moron that has never read any holy scriptures and uses internet quotes to form his worldview' diatribe that you are peddling.
Firstly, you are portraying me as having not read the bible, torah or Koran. I have not read to Torah and I never intend to. I've owned a bible since birth and used to attend bible study as a young man. I own a translated copy of the Koran which I find fascinating mostly because there are a few passages relating to actual evolutionary theory. I'll be the first to admit that I do not currently have these books in my regular reading rotation. You have a vision of me that is inherently false and you are behaving as bad, if not worse than the manner you are apparently chiding me in.
Secondly,I didn't espouse any hate, that is yourself manifesting something that isn't there and using scant evidence to support it, which I believe is you, yet again acting in the way you are accusing me.
Finally, I find it highly hypocritical that a man who follows decided canonical Christianity is lecturing me on not have the 'whole picture' and 'picking and choosing'.
Now, normally I would have just either ignored you or laughed of your paltry attempts and self-righteousness but I felt it warrant and thought-out and semi-respectful response and I'd be more than glad to engage you on fair terms should the situation merit it about the right to practice, secularisation, contemporary 'atheism' or another one of those topics./ tactful as possible response
But if you want to stay in your little victim mode and spout off as much BS as you think necessary then feel free, I won't get too bent out of shape about yet another asinine attack from somebody who quite frankly does not deserve the level of respect being afforded to him given his repeated rebuffing of my attempts to take a conciliatory tone.
Kind Regards,
Ignorant Atheist.
PS: If you don't like it, put me on your ignore list or just generally get over it.
Funny how you are supporting his tirade against me, considering I was the one person agreeing with the very viewpoint in this post
I stated it was open to interpretation, read my posts. I asked Andrea to clarify what he meant by 'true Christians' I didn't say there was a complete definition of it whatsoever. He contended that a significant majority of Christians in Ireland were proper Christians, so I asked him to clarify because of this. Funnily enough, before you stuck your oar in Andrea and I had a nice relevant discussion about our belief systems where both he and I respected each others viewpoints and tried to explain our worldview, specifically what we consider 'Atheists' and 'Christians' yet somehow I've come out as the arrogant antagonistic atheist despite it now being the case, at least in this instance . To me, if you believe in the Christian god AND try to live your live along a Christian moral path, I consider you Christian, Andrea apparently didn't and that's what that post was all about. Some people can interpret what I posted as being 'true Christianity' but I don't and never said I did.
I'm endeavouring to show you the 'respect'(as in what you deem respect, I'm not saying you don't deserve to be respected) that you deserve so I'll just put a general response to the 'IZ is an ignorant moron that has never read any holy scriptures and uses internet quotes to form his worldview' diatribe that you are peddling.
Firstly, you are portraying me as having not read the bible, torah or Koran. I have not read to Torah and I never intend to. I've owned a bible since birth and used to attend bible study as a young man. I own a translated copy of the Koran which I find fascinating mostly because there are a few passages relating to actual evolutionary theory. I'll be the first to admit that I do not currently have these books in my regular reading rotation. You have a vision of me that is inherently false and you are behaving as bad, if not worse than the manner you are apparently chiding me in.
Secondly,I didn't espouse any hate, that is yourself manifesting something that isn't there and using scant evidence to support it, which I believe is you, yet again acting in the way you are accusing me.
Finally, I find it highly hypocritical that a man who follows decided canonical Christianity is lecturing me on not have the 'whole picture' and 'picking and choosing'.
Now, normally I would have just either ignored you or laughed of your paltry attempts and self-righteousness but I felt it warrant and thought-out and semi-respectful response and I'd be more than glad to engage you on fair terms should the situation merit it about the right to practice, secularisation, contemporary 'atheism' or another one of those topics./ tactful as possible response
But if you want to stay in your little victim mode and spout off as much BS as you think necessary then feel free, I won't get too bent out of shape about yet another asinine attack from somebody who quite frankly does not deserve the level of respect being afforded to him given his repeated rebuffing of my attempts to take a conciliatory tone.
Kind Regards,
Ignorant Atheist.
Funny how you are supporting his tirade against me, considering I was the one person agreeing with the very viewpoint in this post
I'm endeavouring to show you the 'respect'(as in what you deem respect, I'm not saying you don't deserve to be respected) that you deserve so I'll just put a general response to the 'IZ is an ignorant moron that has never read any holy scriptures and uses internet quotes to form his worldview' diatribe that you are peddling.
Firstly, you are portraying me as having not read the bible, torah or Koran. I have not read to Torah and I never intend to. I've owned a bible since birth and used to attend bible study as a young man. I own a translated copy of the Koran which I find fascinating mostly because there are a few passages relating to actual evolutionary theory. I'll be the first to admit that I do not currently have these books in my regular reading rotation. You have a vision of me that is inherently false and you are behaving as bad, if not worse than the manner you are apparently chiding me in.
Secondly,I didn't espouse any hate, that is yourself manifesting something that isn't there and using scant evidence to support it, which I believe is you, yet again acting in the way you are accusing me.
Finally, I find it highly hypocritical that a man who follows decided canonical Christianity is lecturing me on not have the 'whole picture' and 'picking and choosing'.
Now, normally I would have just either ignored you or laughed of your paltry attempts and self-righteousness but I felt it warrant and thought-out and semi-respectful response and I'd be more than glad to engage you on fair terms should the situation merit it about the right to practice, secularisation, contemporary 'atheism' or another one of those topics./ tactful as possible response
But if you want to stay in your little victim mode and spout off as much BS as you think necessary then feel free, I won't get too bent out of shape about yet another asinine attack from somebody who quite frankly does not deserve the level of respect being afforded to him given his repeated rebuffing of my attempts to take a conciliatory tone.
Kind Regards,
Ignorant Atheist.
Funny how you are supporting his tirade against me, considering I was the one person agreeing with the very viewpoint in this post
Don't deny it, IZ. You hate on and generalise about religion regularly I don't care if you write a thesis on how you don't. I use quotes and text to support my evidence when I make my claims. You obviously don't because I just quoted you before and you assumed that Andrea must support stoning without evidence and you conveniently ignored a passage on the same topic from the new testament which even non-religious people could quote. Second, can't I be open minded about religion and spiritually and maintain a christian identity? I disagree with that strongly. You don't look at the bigger picture because you are still not understanding that physicality and tangibility, when it comes to spirituality, is unimportant.
Read what I wrote below, in context. Back up what you're saying about me with quotes and text and I'll back up what I'm saying. Or is it too much to ask that you actually have a discussion victim complex?
On a side note, the significance of the Old Testament to Christianity is disputed and interpreted differently...
Did you just ask 'Can't you subscribe to a set of values but not be defined by what those values are?'
So you said, you follow the Bible to the letter and you will become a monster using Deuteronomy as an example. I found text which flatly disproves that assertion. End of story.
Oh I didn't know Christianity was something I had to subscribe to. You can borrow values from several religions if you wish! Who cares. That's your problem, IZ. You focus on unimportant things like the tangibility of god or that someone has to take on some identity if they believe in any religious values but none of that really makes a difference anyway. I'm looking at the tangible effects these values have on society, not the cause of them. That is the bigger picture.
Oh I didn't know Christianity was something I had to subscribe to. You can borrow values from several religions if you wish! Who cares. That's your problem, IZ. You focus on unimportant things like the tangibility of god or that someone has to take on some identity if they believe in any religious values but none of that really makes a difference anyway. I'm looking at the tangible effects these values have on society, not the cause of them. That is the bigger picture.
What you found my good man, was a contradiction or rather, a more modern stance on the same issue reportedly taken by Jesus Christ. The OT is interpeted as being an informing part of the 'bible', the bible itself having differing connoations between different sects etc. You attach a higher significance to it, ergo you flatly disprove me, on your terms, and under your interpretation. If you'd like some new testament examples you need only ask, although I'm handless and eyeless due to my lust.Jesus also chastises Jews for not following the commandments and kiling their disobedient children but that's neither here nor there at this stage because you still refuse to understand I was asking for clarification and pointing out that True bona fide Christians following the bible to the letter would be monsters, which you haven't refuted in the slightest.
You can borrow whatever you want from any faith system you want and construct your own value system. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of every single post I'e ever made on religion has been directly related to it's role in society and politics.
Who are you to tell me I have a problem or that what I focus on is unimportant?
Are you just upset that they're changing BC and AD to BCE and CE, is that it?
You can borrow whatever you want from any faith system you want and construct your own value system. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of every single post I'e ever made on religion has been directly related to it's role in society and politics.
Who are you to tell me I have a problem or that what I focus on is unimportant?
Are you just upset that they're changing BC and AD to BCE and CE, is that it?
Here's my question to you. Here we are having a deep discussion and you come in with this. It wasn't the opposite that gives it substance. If you want to get scientific everything has a polar opposite. There is no light without dark no hot without cold. No heaven without hell no good without evil no God without Satan. Your just trying to be smart and contrarian when you know exactly what o mean
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