The 4-yr. old Preacher (2 Viewers)

[Salvo]

I find it retarded that the parents will call this a miracle from god and not realise that it is a kid just copying his dad. When I said child abuse I was referring to parents instilling these (sometimes) narrow minded views on kids that these preacher types often have.

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

I find it retarded that the parents will call this a miracle from god and not realise that it is a kid just copying his dad. When I said child abuse I was referring to parents instilling these (sometimes) narrow minded views on kids that these preacher types often have.

Yes but that's no different than atheist telling their 4 year olds that faith is for the weak and God is dead. So once again is that child abuse ?

 

[X Æ A-12]

I don't agree with this but for you all to equate this to abuse is laughable at best. Just because the majority here are atheist it doesn't make this abuse. Shit if your 4 year old was preaching atheism you would be proud. A bit hypocritical I think

Not at all. I wouldn't obsessively press my views on a 4 year old who doesn't even understand it.

That's insane.

And I don't tihink you really understand Athiesm...

 

[IrishZebra]

Yes but that's no different than atheist telling their 4 year olds that faith is for the weak and God is dead. So once again is that child abuse ?

It is abusive yes, where's your video of a 4 year old giving an evolutionary biology lecture?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It is abusive yes, where's your video of a 4 year old giving an evolutionary biology lecture?

That's not my point. I said earlier I don't agree with this. I also said I equate this to the same as putting toddlers into pagents. Yet no one ever clamors that's abusive. Only this gets called child abuse because its about faith , especially Christian faith

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Not at all. I wouldn't obsessively press my views on a 4 year old who doesn't even understand it.

That's insane.

And I don't tihink you really understand Athiesm...

Yes same as you truly don't understand Christianity.

 

[swag]

Childhood brainwashing isn't considered abuse, IMO. Doesn't matter whether it's Evangelical Christianity, jihad, or the ACLU.

Fortunately, many children find their way even after such brainwashing as they get older.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Childhood brainwashing isn't considered abuse, IMO. Doesn't matter whether it's Evangelical Christianity, jihad, or the ACLU.

Fortunately, many children find their way even after such brainwashing as they get older.

I don't believe brainwashing is good in any way. You can teach and guide and then when a child is older let then decide. All I'm saying is that most on here are hypocritical, its abuse because its Christianity but not the pageants or other scenarios I have listed

 

[X Æ A-12]

Yes same as you truly don't understand Christianity.

I use to attend a Presbyterian church every week.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I use to attend a Presbyterian church every week.

Just because one goes to church weekly doesn't mean they understand Christianity. I mean the majority if those attending have no clue

 

[IrishZebra]

That's not my point. I said earlier I don't agree with this. I also said I equate this to the same as putting toddlers into pagents. Yet no one ever clamors that's abusive. Only this gets called child abuse because its about faith , especially Christian faith

That 'toddlers and tiaras' shit is also abusive.

Stop playing the 'persecuted' Christian card, it's tired and a prime example of the repressive majority acting the victim when they are called on their BS by the minority. (<----Ireland is ~80% Christian)

 

[AndreaCristiano]

That 'toddlers and tiaras' shit is also abusive.

Stop playing the 'persecuted' Christian card, it's tired and a prime example of the repressive majority acting the victim when they are called on their BS by the minority. (<----Ireland is ~80% Christian)

That's not what I am saying. Your the first person who agreed with my point. The majorityof the comments were about the Christianity and God. Also Ireland being 80% Christian means nothing when 70% of that 80% don't practice or truly know their faith , ya know like the rest of the world.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

That 'toddlers and tiaras' shit is also abusive.

Stop playing the 'persecuted' Christian card, it's tired and a prime example of the repressive majority acting the victim when they are called on their BS by the minority. (<----Ireland is ~80% Christian)

I'm not playing anything. To me that's not Christianity. This is akin to Islamic jihadists. I am just making an observation that automatically these were bundled with mainstream Christianity but the terrorists are always seperated from the mainstream Muslims. Why don't people give Christians the same respect ?

 

[IrishZebra]

That's not what I am saying. Your the first person who agreed with my point. The majorityof the comments were about the Christianity and God. Also Ireland being 80% Christian means nothing when 70% of that 80% don't practice or truly know their faith , ya know like the rest of the world.

How 'truly' Christian are we talking here? Physically owning your daughter as property and stoning non-virgin brides?

I mean if you followed the bible, to the letter, you'd be a monster. It means something when a bunch of people who barely practice their religion pass laws that I'm forced to follow even though they're retarded. Nobody follows these things to the letter, which is why there's so much hostility, it's almost to the level of 'I'm a vegetarian but I eat fish'. At this stage, people are what they say they are, because holy scriptures hold so many archaic rules and contradictions nobody can be 100% pure.

So you can see how people can call hypocrisy and wish to protect a child from what they perceive to be poison ideals, even if that protection manifests itself on a Juventus forum.

I'm not playing anything. To me that's not Christianity. This is akin to Islamic jihadists. I am just making an observation that automatically these were bundled with mainstream Christianity but the terrorists are always seperated from the mainstream Muslims. Why don't people give Christians the same respect ?

Because there's a difference between this and a suicide bombing. People separate the abortion clinic bombers from mainstream Christianity, people like David Koresh as well. Of course the answer 'why?' is quite simple: Critical dialogue has existed longer and more widely in the predominantly Christian West due to the fact that we were democratic and exploitative of the third world. We became more advanced than say, Arabs and to an extent Israelis in terms of a critical dialogue within society and the freedom to voice you views against what you think is wrong. Christianity is challenged more because it's defenders and detractors live in free societies, we're more widely educated and better educated in terms of societal dialogue.

You will see now, should the Arab Spring truly take hold, an increasing number of Muslims 'appearing' that are 'Atheist'. Thing is these people exist already but some societies, much like what Christianity has done to Ireland, refuse to accept that some people believe in what they see as a 'logical and non-theistic' way of living. There's bound to be a backlash, especially given the exploitative and constraining nature of organised religion.

 

[swag]

That 'toddlers and tiaras' shit is also abusive.

Precisely. It's as bad as the 6-year-olds in make-up and beauty pageants.

 

[swag]

How 'truly' Christian are we talking here? Physically owning your daughter as property and stoning non-virgin brides?

I mean if you followed the bible, to the letter, you'd be a monster. It means something when a bunch of people who barely practice their religion pass laws that I'm forced to follow even though they're retarded. Nobody follows these things to the letter, which is why there's so much hostility, it's almost to the level of 'I'm a vegetarian but I eat fish'. At this stage, people are what they say they are, because holy scriptures hold so many archaic rules and contradictions nobody can be 100% pure.

So you can see how people can call hypocrisy and wish to protect a child from what they perceive to be poison ideals, even if that protection manifests itself on a Juventus forum.

But IZ, are you suggesting that any Christian who doesn't follow the Bible as the letter of the law somehow fails to qualify as Christian?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

How 'truly' Christian are we talking here? Physically owning your daughter as property and stoning non-virgin brides?

I mean if you followed the bible, to the letter, you'd be a monster. It means something when a bunch of people who barely practice their religion pass laws that I'm forced to follow even though they're retarded. Nobody follows these things to the letter, which is why there's so much hostility, it's almost to the level of 'I'm a vegetarian but I eat fish'. At this stage, people are what they say they are, because holy scriptures hold so many archaic rules and contradictions nobody can be 100% pure.

So you can see how people can call hypocrisy and wish to protect a child from what they perceive to be poison ideals, even if that protection manifests itself on a Juventus forum.

What you don't understand is that when one reads the Bible you have to place things into the time frame in which the prophet / Messiah was speaking. I mean just look at the 5th commandment " Thou shall not kill" because of misinterpretations it has been believed that it means no killing ever. Although the exact translation is "thou shall not murder " murder under rabbinical and judiaic law was unjustified killing. So as long as the killing was justified it wasn't breaking the commandment. For instance if one murdered a family member , you had the right to kill them and that was justified. In other words most people have no clue how to read the Bible

 

[AndreaCristiano]

How 'truly' Christian are we talking here? Physically owning your daughter as property and stoning non-virgin brides?

I mean if you followed the bible, to the letter, you'd be a monster. It means something when a bunch of people who barely practice their religion pass laws that I'm forced to follow even though they're retarded. Nobody follows these things to the letter, which is why there's so much hostility, it's almost to the level of 'I'm a vegetarian but I eat fish'. At this stage, people are what they say they are, because holy scriptures hold so many archaic rules and contradictions nobody can be 100% pure.

So you can see how people can call hypocrisy and wish to protect a child from what they perceive to be poison ideals, even if that protection manifests itself on a Juventus forum.



Because there's a difference between this and a suicide bombing. People separate the abortion clinic bombers from mainstream Christianity, people like David Koresh as well. Of course the answer 'why?' is quite simple: Critical dialogue has existed longer and more widely in the predominantly Christian West due to the fact that we were democratic and exploitative of the third world. We became more advanced than say, Arabs and to an extent Israelis in terms of a critical dialogue within society and the freedom to voice you views against what you think is wrong. Christianity is challenged more because it's defenders and detractors live in free societies, we're more widely educated and better educated in terms of societal dialogue.

That's where your inncorrect most people do not make that distinction and bunch all Christians even extremists with mainstream Christians

 

[IrishZebra]

That's where your inncorrect most people do not make that distinction and bunch all Christians even extremists with mainstream Christians

Maybe it seems that way in the US because of the extent of polarisation but I can assure you, even the man on the street here knows the difference between a regular christian and a fundamentalist.

But IZ, are you suggesting that any Christian who doesn't follow the Bible as the letter of the law somehow fails to qualify as Christian?

Me? No. I was asking Andrea what he termed a true Christian to be as he said the vast majority aren't true christians.

What you don't understand is that when one reads the Bible you have to place things into the time frame in which the prophet / Messiah was speaking. I mean just look at the 5th commandment " Thou shall not kill" because of misinterpretations it has been believed that it means no killing ever. Although the exact translation is "thou shall not murder " murder under rabbinical and judiaic law was unjustified killing. So as long as the killing was justified it wasn't breaking the commandment. For instance if one murdered a family member , you had the right to kill them and that was justified. In other words most people have no clue how to read the Bible

Unless you're the person that wrote it, you don't have the correct message either. Your own biases will creep into everything.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Maybe it seems that way in the US because of the extent of polarisation but I can assure you, even the man on the street here knows the difference between a regular christian and a fundamentalist.


Me? No. I was asking Andrea what he termed a true Christian to be as he said the vast majority aren't true christians.



Unless you're the person that wrote it, you don't have the correct message either. Your own biases will creep into everything.

For one in Ireland its possible that the difference is easier to discern because if all the strife. Two , there is no debating what that example I gave means. Their is only one way that true Biblical scholars and theologians interpret that. Between linguistics, religious studies and cultural input you cone to the correct interpretation. Not everything has bias