The 4-yr. old Preacher (1 Viewer)

[Sheik Yerbouti]

What you don't understand is that when one reads the Bible you have to place things into the time frame in which the prophet / Messiah was speaking. I mean just look at the 5th commandment " Thou shall not kill" because of misinterpretations it has been believed that it means no killing ever. Although the exact translation is "thou shall not murder " murder under rabbinical and judiaic law was unjustified killing. So as long as the killing was justified it wasn't breaking the commandment. For instance if one murdered a family member , you had the right to kill them and that was justified. In other words most people have no clue how to read the Bible

But a kid cannot ponder the interpretations of the Bible as he's too young to understand the time in which it was written. The kid is just doing what his father is doing. Child pageantry does not involve such interpretations, so it's not criticized.

 

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[IrishZebra]

For one in Ireland its possible that the difference is easier to discern because if all the strife. Two , there is no debating what that example I gave means. Their is only one way that true Biblical scholars and theologians interpret that. Between linguistics, religious studies and cultural input you cone to the correct interpretation. Not everything has bias

Interpretation by definition, cannot be unbiased.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

But a kid cannot ponder the interpretations of the Bible as he's too young to understand the time in which it was written. The kid is just doing what his father is doing. Child pageantry does not involve such interpretations, so it's not criticized.

Of course it does a parent over sexualizes their children and the child interprets that as normal behavior.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Interpretation by definition, cannot be unbiased.

Not if its interpretation based on knowledge and facts

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Not if its interpretation based on knowledge and facts

And how much knowledge and facts do you think a for year old possesses to make a fair interpretation of something do broad and complex?

 

[IrishZebra]

Not if its interpretation based on knowledge and facts

Then it becomes an educated interpretation, still not a statement of unbiased fact.

@Sheik, I disagree, the culture of beauty pageants is all about the 'gold digger/sexualisation lifestyle, those girls are being brought up to be prim and proper marital prostitutes, which is just as bad as pastor murder a gay jr.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

And how much knowledge and facts do you think a for year old possesses to make a fair interpretation of something do broad and complex?

That point gad nothing to do with the 4 year old. Read the conversation please before commenting. That was to answer irishzebra and what we were talking about. I stated earlier my stance on the 4 year olds.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Then it becomes an educated interpretation, still not a statement of unbiased fact.

@Sheik, I disagree, the culture of beauty pageants is all about the 'gold digger/sexualisation lifestyle, those girls are being brought up to be prim and proper marital prostitutes, which is just as bad as pastor murder a gay jr.

Yes but isn't everything even scientific theories like evolution an educated interpretation and not a statement of unbiased fact?

Also your description of the toddlers and tiara for sheik I agree 100%

 

[Byrone]

Those kids must bring in a shit load of tithes, too bad i didn't think of it first.

 

[IrishZebra]

Yes but isn't everything even scientific theories like evolution an educated interpretation and not a statement of unbiased fact?

Also your description of the toddlers and tiara for sheik I agree 100%

Yes it is. I'm not a pop-Atheist that states evolution is a fact. However, with evidence comes credibility. I believe it is the most credible explanation so I subscribe to it, should anybody else wish to offer another explanation, I would listen to it provided their evidence was in equal or greater amount and of equal or greater credibility.Without getting too philosophical, the only true facts are based in maths and only then because we imbue figures with fixed values.

Is there a God? I think not, I have yet to be convinced of proffered any worthwhile evidence, so I assume not. That is how I and many so-called 'Atheists' live. Those that say there is no God FACT, are as ignorant as those that would say the Earth is 6000 years old FACT.

 

[swag]

Then it becomes an educated interpretation, still not a statement of unbiased fact.

@Sheik, I disagree, the culture of beauty pageants is all about the 'gold digger/sexualisation lifestyle, those girls are being brought up to be prim and proper marital prostitutes, which is just as bad as pastor murder a gay jr.

I'm not in complete agreement on this. Part of it is sexualization. But the part at least as disturbing to me is that putting a dog in a suit and tie and making it walk on its hind legs for our entertainment. When boys are modeled into some sick-minded "oh, how cute, he's a grown-up!" fantasy, what we get are things like religious preachers, TV commercials about babies being stock brokers, etc. When girls are modeled into some sick-minded "oh, how cute, she's a grown-up!" fantasy, it's almost impossible for cultures not to sexualize them. Nearly all societies define the maturation of girls around their sexualization and (ultimately) fertility.

My point being that you cannot easily separate the sexual curiosities in the desire of making pre-teen girls look like streetwalkers from the general social desires to make them amusingly appear as "mini-adults". The result is the generally same from either motivation. Any girl who is presumed to be "all grown up" and devoid of sexual connotations is either ugly, deformed, or a female eunuch in society.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Yes it is. I'm not a pop-Atheist that states evolution is a fact. However, with evidence comes credibility. I believe it is the most credible explanation so I subscribe to it, should anybody else wish to offer another explanation, I would listen to it provided their evidence was in equal or greater amount and of equal or greater credibility.Without getting too philosophical, the only true facts are based in maths and only then because we imbue figures with fixed values.

Is there a God? I think not, I have yet to be convinced of proffered any worthwhile evidence, so I assume not. That is how I and many so-called 'Atheists' live. Those that say there is no God FACT, are as ignorant as those that would say the Earth is 6000 years old FACT.

In the final paragraph we are in agreement. To me it seems your more agnostic than truly atheistic. You aren't sure if there is or isn't. While most atheist by definition do not believe their is a GOD at all. P's it will sulfide you to know that I believe the earth is much older as well but that's because I know how to read the Bible

 

[IrishZebra]

I don't think that contradicts what I said if I'm honest. They are taken to extremes by their mothers who are themselves the extreme of the sexualised woman as an object. Women are sexualised from younger and younger ages, but to the extent of this shit, that's a whole societal niche in itself.

In the final paragraph we are in agreement. To me it seems your more agnostic than truly atheistic. You aren't sure if there is or isn't. While most atheist by definition do not believe their is a GOD at all. P's it will sulfide you to know that I believe the earth is much older as well but that's because I know how to read the Bible

I don't believe there is a god, I just know what the difference between my beliefs and a 'fact' is. Origin of earth? I won't even go there

 

[swag]

I don't think that contradicts what I said if I'm honest. They are taken to extremes by their mothers who are themselves the extreme of the sexualised woman as an object. Women are sexualised from younger and younger ages, but to the extent of this shit, that's a whole societal niche in itself.

I don't think it necessarily contradicts. Just that any bizarre obsession with making little girls look and act like adults will ultimately introduce sexuality into the picture. There's almost no escaping it.

Not to proclaim society as innocent of pedophilia. But pedophilia is not the lone root cause for the sexualization of little girl beauty contests. It will arise from those who get a mentally sick kick out of seeing little girls modeled as grown-ups too.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I don't think that contradicts what I said if I'm honest. They are taken to extremes by their mothers who are themselves the extreme of the sexualised woman as an object. Women are sexualised from younger and younger ages, but to the extent of this shit, that's a whole societal niche in itself.



I don't believe there is a god, I just know what the difference between my beliefs and a 'fact' is. Origin of earth? I won't even go there

This is why I like you. You and I can discuss our opposing views respectfully

 

[IrishZebra]

The main problem is that people misunderstand each other from the start, on Tuz especially int:

 

[AndreaCristiano]

The main problem is that people misunderstand each other from the start, on Tuz especially int:

Agreed

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That point gad nothing to do with the 4 year old. Read the conversation please before commenting. That was to answer irishzebra and what we were talking about. I stated earlier my stance on the 4 year olds.

It has everything to do with him. How can he subscribe to this God and what he can do without understanding his supposed word? Either he has an informed opinion about the Bible, or he's just mimicking someone. I lean towards the latter. You cannot be that young and analyze and preach such a complex book.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It has everything to do with him. How can he subscribe to this God and what he can do without understanding his supposed word? Either he has an informed opinion about the Bible, or he's just mimicking someone. I lean towards the latter. You cannot be that young and analyze and preach such a complex book.

I think your missinterpreting the conversation. Your echoing my earlier statements exactly.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I think your missinterpreting the conversation. Your echoing my earlier statements exactly.

Oh ok