The 4-yr. old Preacher (5 Viewers)

[bianconero]

Here's my question to you. Here we are having a deep discussion and you come in with this. It wasn't the opposite that gives it substance. If you want to get scientific everything has a polar opposite. There is no light without dark no hot without cold. No heaven without hell no good without evil no God without Satan. Your just trying to be smart and contrarian when you know exactly what o mean

Don't be daft, you use science then casually bring in god and heaven, which have no provable substance. Why?

 

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[IrishZebra]

Actually Irish your incorrect. JESUS not only says it himself but alludes to it many times. The laws and ways of the old testament are abolished by his birth, teaching and ressurection. That is not up for interpretation

Ah, but you see, here is the meat and bones of biblical interpretation. Some passages espouse what you said, while others are contradictory found in Mathew and Revalation, yet also deemed to be internalised in our love for god. I'm assuming we're talking Hebrews here yes?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Don't be daft, you use science then casually bring in god and heaven, which have no provable substance. Why?

Because even in science not all has provable substance. Imperical evidence is not the be all and end all

 

[Nenz]

So from that you've come to the conclusion that if someone were to follow the bible word for word they would be a monster?

 

[IrishZebra]

So from that you've come from the conclusion that if someone were to follow the bible word for word they would be a monster?

Insofar as their Bible is not consisting of non-canoncial gosepls of which I have only a passing understanding.

 

[Nenz]

Don't be daft, you use science then casually bring in god and heaven, which have no provable substance. Why?

Because the tangible, the physical and the scientific have no bearing on spirituality.

 

[bianconero]

Because even in science not all has provable substance. Imperical evidence is not the be all and end all

Then don't use science in an effort to prove that which isn't provable.

Or have you proof for heaven and god? If so who goes to this heaven?

 

[IrishZebra]

So from that you've come from the conclusion that if someone were to follow the bible word for word they would be a monster?

Insofar as their Bible is not consisting of non-canoncial gosepls of which I have only a passing understanding.

Because the tangible, the physical and the scientific have no bearing on spirituality.

And of course vice-versa.

 

[bianconero]

Because the tangible, the physical and the scientific have no bearing on spirituality.

What does then?

 

[Nenz]

Then don't use science in an effort to prove that which isn't provable.

Or have you proof for heaven and god? If so who goes to this heaven?

When did I do that? And when did I try and assert the idea of heaven?

I don't believe creationism if that's what you've impolitely assumed.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Ah, but you see, here is the meat and bones of biblical interpretation. Some passages espouse what you said, while others are contradictory found in Mathew and Revalation, yet also deemed to be internalised in our love for god. I'm assuming we're talking Hebrews here yes?

No but here's an example. ( paraphrasing )
When the sadduccies and pharisies see Jesus eating unclean food with the unclean( prostitutes and tax collectors ) they ask him " Rabbi why is it that you eat with the wretched and sinful on the Sabbath " ( pertaining to the 601 Mosaic and rabbinical laws to keep kosher ) Jesus says this " Do not worry so much about what you put into your mouth but what comes forth from it " ( alluding to God not caring about the good a man eats but the words that come from his heart and there condition. In essence saying your man made rules are here forth abolished. Worry about your words and thoughts not your food making you unclean. ) in another passage he responds. " when the bridegroom is here those at the feast celebrate they do not worry "

 

[Nenz]

What does then?

Belief. Not belief in the existence of something to worship but a belief in the values and the train of thought that is taught by a religion. Religion is a way of thinking that effects social interaction on every level as well as self understanding.

 

[IrishZebra]

No but here's an example. ( paraphrasing )
When the sadduccies and pharisies see Jesus eating unclean food with the unclean( prostitutes and tax collectors ) they ask him " Rabbi why is it that you eat with the wretched and sinful on the Sabbath " ( pertaining to the 601 Mosaic and rabbinical laws to keep kosher ) Jesus says this " Do not worry so much about what you put into your mouth but what comes forth from it " ( alluding to God not caring about the good a man eats but the words that come from his heart and there condition. In essence saying your man made rules are here forth abolished. Worry about your words and thoughts not your food making you unclean. ) in another passage he responds. " when the bridegroom is here those at the feast celebrate they do not worry "

But in Mathew he says that the laws of moses are to be observed could this also not be interpreted to mean that the rules stay?

 

[IrishZebra]

DP :/

 

[bianconero]

When did I do that? And when did I try and assert the idea of heaven?

I don't believe creationism if that's what you've impolitely assumed.

You said the opposite of heaven was hell, god, Satan etc...

I am not sure what you believe, and how you came to that conclusion is frankly odd.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Then don't use science in an effort to prove that which isn't provable.

Or have you proof for heaven and god? If so who goes to this heaven?

I have my proof yes. For me that proof is tangible I have felt, heard and seen the hand of God in my life. I can use science for whatever I like. When they told gallileo to not use science to price his theory that was laughed at he used it and was proven correct. Just because there is no evidence to your liking doesn't mean it doesn't exist

 

[Nenz]

You said the opposite of heaven was hell, god, Satan etc...

I am not sure what you believe, and how you came to that conclusion is frankly odd.

I was just joking. You really think I would tell someone they're going to hell?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

But in Mathew he says that the laws of moses are to be observed could this also not be interpreted to mean that the rules stay?

No because one thing some don't understand is the laws of moses which are the ones handed down in Sinai are different than the rabbinical laws made by man. Hence why I used the above as an example and nor one of the commandments

 

[bianconero]

Belief. Not belief in the existence of something to worship but a belief in the values and the train of thought that is taught by a religion. Religion is a way of thinking that effects social interaction on every level as well as self understanding.

Which religious text would that be?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

You said the opposite of heaven was hell, god, Satan etc...

I am not sure what you believe, and how you came to that conclusion is frankly odd.

What are you talking about Gods opposite is Satan. Heavens opposite is Hell. How was I unclear