The 4-yr. old Preacher (14 Viewers)

[Sheik Yerbouti]

David Hume nailed it: "Which is more likely: that the whole natural order is suspended, or that a jewish minx should tell a lie?"

Jewish minx?

Newton and Einstein came.

I'm serious.

 

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[Trequartista]

Newton and Einstein both believers

Newton, yes.

Einstein, no. At least, he wasn't a theist. He may have been a deist but it is really hard to tell from his writings.

 

[Trequartista]

Jewish minx?

Speaking of Mary and the virgin birth.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Newton, yes.

Einstein, no. At least, he wasn't a theist. He may have been a deist but it is really hard to tell from his writings.

He still believed no matter how you phrase it being a deist was a belief in a God and he was a brilliant scientist, so was newton and darwin etc etc

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I dont think that I believe in miracles still to this day, i have actually experienced some in my short life. I just believe that people dont believe like they used to and faith even in the faithful is weak. Jesus said" If you have faith the size of a mustard seed and say to a mountain move the mountain will move" and he said " If you have faith in me as I in you then you can also do these things " in reference to his miracles. I believe in this day and age when the mystery about alot has been removed the wonder and faith is harder to hold onto or keep. I also believe that it is on purpose to test our faith

Please... stop.

Newton and Einstein both believers

From Wikipedia:

In a letter to Eric Gutkind dated 3 January 1954, Einstein wrote in German:[9]

[...] The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These [...] interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them.

Oh yeah... he was a believer, alright.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Speaking of Mary and the virgin birth.

yes go ahead, but i will tell you this the virgin birth is a matter of faith and No matter where you go it will not change that faith

 

[Trequartista]

He still believed no matter how you phrase it being a deist was a belief in a God and he was a brilliant scientist, so was newton and darwin etc etc

If what you're saying is true, what does it mean?

You could be swimming in the dangerous waters of the appeal to authority fallacy.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Please... stop.


From Wikipedia:



Oh yeah... he was a believer, alright.

Albert Einstein: God, Religion & Theology
Explaining Einstein's understanding of God as the Universe / Reality

A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)

you were saying?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

He still believed no matter how you phrase it being a deist was a belief in a God and he was a brilliant scientist, so was newton and darwin etc etc

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

Also, you have to take into consideration that many people hid their true opinions about religion due to fear of being accused of blasphemy and being punished. Not all of these people lived in times where atheistic views were received warmly or even tolerated.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

If what you're saying is true, what does it mean?

You could be swimming in the dangerous waters of the appeal to authority fallacy.

Listen in the end each mans journey is personal and internal, we all know in our soul that something is greater than us be it God for the believers, the laws of nature for the scientist ( also God ) etc how we come to interpret that in the end falls on us.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Also, you have to take into consideration that many people hid their true opinions about religion due to fear of being accused of blasphemy and being punished. Not all of these people lived in times where atheistic views were received warmly or even tolerated.

sure but thats also a cop out. Many believed many have personal writings about their belief so those had nothing to do with persecution. It has become more en vogue now to be one or the other when in the past people were usually both, like me

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Albert Einstein: God, Religion & Theology
Explaining Einstein's understanding of God as the Universe / Reality

A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)

you were saying?

He did not believe in a personal god. Every theistic religion has a god that's closely described by the words bolded above. So if you want to emphasize that your faith in god and believing in his words is alright just because Einstein did it, then you are quite mistaken.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

He did not believe in a personal god. Every theistic religion has a god that's closely described by the words bolded above. So if you want to emphasize that your faith in god and believing in his words is alright just because Einstein did it, then you are quite mistaken.

So now your picking and choosing which way is ok for a scientist to believe? Just because he didnt believe in a personal God he was still a deist and believed in God, doesnt matter how you slice it an atheist he was not

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Listen in the end each mans journey is personal and internal, we all know in our soul that something is greater than us be it God for the believers, the laws of nature for the scientist ( also God ) etc how we come to interpret that in the end falls on us.

Interpret things however you want. Believing in something and having unquestionable faith in something does not make it true. The truth is one and universal and is a constant. It does not depend upon us. After you die, only one thing can happen to us all. It does not vary based on your faith, especially not the faith you happen to be born in.

So now your picking and choosing which way is ok for a scientist to believe? Just because he didnt believe in a personal God he was still a deist and believed in God, doesnt matter how you slice it an atheist he was not

Again, I was not the one who picked the point that Einstein was an atheist. It was you who picked him and his belief in a god. A god which he defined differently from the tradition gods of mythical religions around the world. Quite clearly from the words quoted, the definition of god he believes is not similar to yours. So if you're using him to reinforce your faith, you are wrong.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Interpret things however you want. Believing in something and having unquestionable faith in something does not make it true. The truth is one and universal and is a constant. It does not depend upon us. After you die, only one thing can happen to us all. It does not vary based on your faith, especially not the faith you happen to be born in.

here ya go

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607298,00.html

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

here ya go

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607298,00.html

tl;dr. Breakfast time.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

stephen hawkings

 

[Trequartista]

You're talking about cherry picking and now you post this video???


Stephen Hawking is certainly not a theist/deist.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

another steven hawkings

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I can't watch those videos now but are you trying to say Hawmings believes in God?