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AndreaCristiano

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I never liked this argument. The entire opposite can make just as strong a suggestion of the divine, however. For example, if you look at all the materials in the Oort cloud and comet belts in deep space beyond the planets, they are teeming with water and organic molecules. The suggestion being that life isn't a freak happenstance, one-in-a-gazillion sort of thing. Rather, the materials to make it are so ubiquitous it's almost impossible to stop life from forming everywhere.
You know you make a very valid point and it also supports God, with the point that the essence of Deity is in every corner of the universe.
 

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You know you make a very valid point and it also supports God, with the point that the essence of Deity is in every corner of the universe.
Not saying it's proof. Just that you could make the case that the ubiquity of life in the universe, as a counter-example, could be construed as a kind of evidence of the divine. So that's why I never liked the one-in-a-gazillion argument. The complete opposite could be used as good, if not a stronger, case for it.
 

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Sequence of events, we are just in the right place at the right time. We are in a perfect moment in time, in the perfect zone of our solar system, which is in the perfect area of our galaxy. Something has to be in this area at this time, there may well be thousands of others in similar areas of our galaxy or beyond, or there could be none. You only have to look at our solar system to see the fine margins of what supports life, common sense answers depending on our proximity to our star.

What does the Bible say about life outside of Earth? What does it say about the dinosaurs and their mass extinction? What happens when our planet is again obliterated by an asteroid?
 

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Who makes a saint?

Men like this:


Pope Alexander VI


Also known as
Rodrigo de Borja; Rodrigo Borgia

Took Borja as his surname from his uncle Alfonso (Pope Calixtus III). Cardinal in 1456. Vice-chancellor of the Church in 1457. Dean of the sacred college in 1476. Elected pope by a corrupt conclave in 1492.

Proclaimed the line of demarcation that split the western hemisphere between Spain and Portugal. Patron of the arts. Foreign relations during his reign were dominated by the increasing influence of France in Italy, which culminated in the invasion of Charles VIII in 1494. Alexander prevented Charles from taking church property in Rome, but he turned over the valuable Ottoman hostage Djem, brother of Sultan Beyazid II.

Prior to his papacy, Alexander fathered four illegitimate children by a Roman woman, Vannozza, among them Cesare and Lucrezia Borgia. Cesare became the principal leader in papal affairs, and papal resources were spent building up his power; Alexander arranged suitable marriages for Lucrezia. The favouritism shown his children, the lax moral tone of Renaissance Rome, and the unscrupulous methods employed by Cesare and other papal officials have made Alexander’s name the symbol of the worldly irreligion of Renaissance popes.
Born
1431 at Jativa, Spain as Rodrigo de Borja
And anybody who has played Assassin's Creed II knows that he's a very bad man.
 

AndreaCristiano

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You have not a single answer but platitudes.

Too dull I am afraid.
If I had all the answers my name wouldnt be Andrea Cristiano. The problem with you my friend is you dont respect those who believe different than you. You look down upon us , thats the difference between you and I . I respect those who arent like me or believe like me even if I dissagree
 

AndreaCristiano

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Ok, so let's talk about fairies. Would you agree with me that there is no evidence to suggest that fairies exist and therefore, it is more rational to disbelieve their existence?
no because I believe that we dont know half what we think. Many things in the depth of the oceans we have never found and many things we recently discovered like species all 2000 of them in the galapagos
 

JuveJay

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I can understand the theory that a god created the universe, be that a deity, figure, spirit, entity, moment in time and space, release of incredible energy etc. This seems plausible. I don't believe that we will ever be able to disprove this, so it will remain. It's just religious texts that don't make sense to me from the perspective of origins.
 
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no because I believe that we dont know half what we think. Many things in the depth of the oceans we have never found and many things we recently discovered like species all 2000 of them in the galapagos
Ok, so I could invent with my imagination a monster with the head of Motta, the hairs of Amauri and the body of Miccoli, say that it exists ,and you would not disbelieve its existence despite the lack of evidence on its existence?
 
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If I had all the answers my name wouldnt be Andrea Cristiano. The problem with you my friend is you dont respect those who believe different than you. You look down upon us , thats the difference between you and I . I respect those who arent like me or believe like me even if I dissagree
It's easy for you to respect others, because it gives you great satisfaction knowing that is going to help you into the presence of the almighty.

Do mad people who commit vile crimes go to heaven?
 
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But you have a right to believe it, I think that's his point.
He does have a right to believe it, that's obvious.

However, some might say that it's irrational to believe in something without evidence.

That's precisely the point of the (fairies/bigfoot/the creature you want) example.

PS: there is a difference between saying that a belief is irrational, and disrespecting it.
 
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