The 4-yr. old Preacher (2 Viewers)

[ALC]

So let me ask you this. If you dont believe in scientific theory for our origins, and you do not give credence to a creator. What pray tell do you believe?

Why does he have to subscribe to a belief? Can't he just say he doesn't know? Because he actually doesn't, no one does.

I'm in the same boat, I don't know how the universe was created and that's that.

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

Why does he have to subscribe to something? Can't he just say he doesn't know? Because he actually doesn't, no one does.

I'm in the same boat, I don't know how the universe was created and that's that.

he doesnt have to at all i was just curious because zebra and i have these discussions always

 

[IrishZebra]

So let me ask you this. If you dont believe in scientific theory for our origins, and you do not give credence to a creator. What pray tell do you believe?

What I like to believe, at least until I actually examine the evidence for other theories, is that the Universe itself, doesn't exist in terms of time and space, that it is both and neither at all time.

Overall, I try not to worry too much about it

 

[bianconero]

I just grabbed one of the first lists of info, thats all paraphrased anyway. What makes you think you are so much smarter, or enlightened than everyone else. I mean you speak with such authority on things yet you mostly say nothing

I am not enlightened, because I have discovered the truth but because I
refuse to accept being frightened onto my knees.

 

[JuveJay]

One of the best posts in this thread!!! For someone to be so adamant in his science and then say their is no Deity when science blatantly says
the chances that these series of "accidents" with that precision you speak of for us to exist are an improbability, nay an almost impossibility

What makes a god(s) more probable? Anybody ever seen one? Any solid evidence of one?

Science evolves constantly and quickly. It starts at a theoretical level. 10 years ago we didn't know of dark energy, before that dark matter. We still understand little of these things but can absolutely calculate that galaxies are hurtling away from each other at an incredible speed. Also, many scientists, astronomers and physicists do not try to exclude the possibility of god just because they try to learn the origins of life. Even if the theory of our galaxy creation is correct - and we believe we can see it ongoing in other parts of the local universe - then there is still a beginning point where something comes from nothing.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I am not enlightened, because I have discovered the truth but because I
refuse to accept being frightened onto knees.

I am not frightened unto my knees, I fall in reference and Love for what Jesus did on the cross to save my soul. Where do you all go to church that all this fear is taught??

 

[AndreaCristiano]

What makes a god(s) more probable? Anybody ever seen one? Any solid evidence of one?

Science evolves constantly and quickly. It starts at a theoretical level. 10 years ago we didn't know of dark energy, before that dark matter. We still understand little of these things but can absolutely calculate that galaxies are hurtling away from each other at an incredible speed. Also, many scientists, astronomers and physicists do not try to exclude the possibility of god just because they try to learn the origins of life. Even if the theory of our galaxy creation is correct - and we believe we can see it ongoing in other part of the local universe - then there is still a beginning point where something comes from nothing.

Many people have seen , talked and experienced God they are called prophets and Saints. Many millions on this planet have experienced him personally. so if this was a lab test the sampling would be beyond conclusive

 

[bianconero]

I am not frightened unto my knees, I fall in reference and Love for what Jesus did on the cross to save my soul. Where do you all go to church that all this fear is taught??

You are going to hell!
God sees everything you do!
God knows everything you think!
God knows what is in your heart!
Follow the commandments!

A great way to keep the peasants under control.

 

[bianconero]

Many people have seen , talked and experienced God they are called prophets and Saints. Many millions on this planet have experienced him personally. so if this was a lab test the sampling would be beyond conclusive

Have you ever taken a look at those so called saints?

Most are laughable.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

You are going to hell!
God sees everything you do!
God knows everything you think!
God knows what is in your heart!
Follow the commandments!

A great way to keep the peasants under control.

Those are followed out of love, for one who doesnt believe such as you what do you care. When your father told you what to do as a child you listened out of respect and love , same with faith in God you listen to your spiritual father, out of love and respect, not fear

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Have you ever taken a look at those so called saints?

Most are laughable.

yes im sure St. Francis of Assisi is laughable , remember they were all human. Just like saul of tarsus became paul the apostle. even sinners see God

 

[IrishZebra]

Not me, I find much more wonder looking at the creatures of this planet or the beauty of the earth and attributing it to evolution and geology than I would if I attributed it to a designer. I love Orangutans, they're so awesome.

 

[JuveJay]

Many people have seen , talked and experienced God they are called prophets and Saints. Many millions on this planet have experienced him personally. so if this was a lab test the sampling would be beyond conclusive

You're talking in terms of belief, there is no actual evidence or proof. If there was it would be the biggest event in human history and future, it would change the world. In the mean time everyone has their beliefs and there is nothing wrong with that, but to make an argument about probability based on faith in contrast to science is very foolish. The probability that God created the world in days is as probable as me going ice skating around the rings of Saturn.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

You're talking in terms of belief, there is no actual evidence or proof. If there was it would be the biggest event in human history and future, it would change the world. In the mean time everyone has their beliefs and there is nothing wrong with that, but to make an argument about probability based on faith in contrast to science is very foolish. The probability that God created the world in days is as probable as me going ice skating around the rings of Saturn.

how can you even say that when the probability of all the things that happened to create life on this planet, happening by chance or ever happening again are so astronomical that believing it was all chance is laughable

 

[bianconero]

yes im sure St. Francis of Assisi is laughable , remember they were all human. Just like saul of tarsus became paul the apostle. even sinners see God

Who makes a saint?

Men like this:


Pope Alexander VI


Also known as
Rodrigo de Borja; Rodrigo Borgia

Took Borja as his surname from his uncle Alfonso (Pope Calixtus III). Cardinal in 1456. Vice-chancellor of the Church in 1457. Dean of the sacred college in 1476. Elected pope by a corrupt conclave in 1492.

Proclaimed the line of demarcation that split the western hemisphere between Spain and Portugal. Patron of the arts. Foreign relations during his reign were dominated by the increasing influence of France in Italy, which culminated in the invasion of Charles VIII in 1494. Alexander prevented Charles from taking church property in Rome, but he turned over the valuable Ottoman hostage Djem, brother of Sultan Beyazid II.

Prior to his papacy, Alexander fathered four illegitimate children by a Roman woman, Vannozza, among them Cesare and Lucrezia Borgia. Cesare became the principal leader in papal affairs, and papal resources were spent building up his power; Alexander arranged suitable marriages for Lucrezia. The favouritism shown his children, the lax moral tone of Renaissance Rome, and the unscrupulous methods employed by Cesare and other papal officials have made Alexander’s name the symbol of the worldly irreligion of Renaissance popes.
Born
1431 at Jativa, Spain as Rodrigo de Borja

 

[IrishZebra]

The odds are 1 in a billion, there are 1 billion, billion planets, more probable than astronomical my friend.

 

[swag]

how can you even say that when the probability of all the things that happened to create life on this planet, happening by chance or ever happening again are so astronomical that believing it was all chance is laughable

I never liked this argument. The entire opposite can make just as strong a suggestion of the divine, however. For example, if you look at all the materials in the Oort cloud and comet belts in deep space beyond the planets, they are teeming with water and organic molecules. The suggestion being that life isn't a freak happenstance, one-in-a-gazillion sort of thing. Rather, the materials to make it are so ubiquitous it's almost impossible to stop life from forming everywhere.

Isn't that just as compelling an argument for a "divine hand"? If so, then the one in a gazillion theory by comparison is a bad measure.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Who makes a saint?

Men like this:


Pope Alexander VI


Also known as
Rodrigo de Borja; Rodrigo Borgia

Took Borja as his surname from his uncle Alfonso (Pope Calixtus III). Cardinal in 1456. Vice-chancellor of the Church in 1457. Dean of the sacred college in 1476. Elected pope by a corrupt conclave in 1492.

Proclaimed the line of demarcation that split the western hemisphere between Spain and Portugal. Patron of the arts. Foreign relations during his reign were dominated by the increasing influence of France in Italy, which culminated in the invasion of Charles VIII in 1494. Alexander prevented Charles from taking church property in Rome, but he turned over the valuable Ottoman hostage Djem, brother of Sultan Beyazid II.

Prior to his papacy, Alexander fathered four illegitimate children by a Roman woman, Vannozza, among them Cesare and Lucrezia Borgia. Cesare became the principal leader in papal affairs, and papal resources were spent building up his power; Alexander arranged suitable marriages for Lucrezia. The favouritism shown his children, the lax moral tone of Renaissance Rome, and the unscrupulous methods employed by Cesare and other papal officials have made Alexander’s name the symbol of the worldly irreligion of Renaissance popes.
Born
1431 at Jativa, Spain as Rodrigo de Borja

Once again the faith has nothing to do with the men in it. There are evil christians , evil muslims, evil jews, that doesnt diminish God and his Glory

 

[Trequartista]

AndreaCristiano, do you believe in the bigfoot, fairies or Santa Claus?

 

[bianconero]

how can you even say that when the probability of all the things that happened to create life on this planet, happening by chance or ever happening again are so astronomical that believing it was all chance is laughable

As is believing in an infinite being being mastermind of it all.