Tactics and Formations (19 Viewers)

TheLaz

Senior Member
Oct 6, 2011
5,536
It's not JUST the formation. It's also the way we approach the game. Look how very few long passes Real Madrid and Bayern play. They build up the play with numerous runs from all the players and hard passes in the feet. Sort of what Alex Ferguson had ManU do back ~2008. And then they wide the pitch by having 3-4 players luring the offside trap, forcing any defense to hold back just as many or more players.

We have 2 players up front and then pass them the ball and expect them to pass it backward or turn(which at this level, CL, is very much to ask). I say we change both formation and mentality. GTFO with "we're used to playing this way and why throw away 4 years of hard work that won us silverware". Yes, Serie A silverware. This strategy hasn't won us any glory what so ever outside Italy. Ending top 4 in CL is better then winning Serie A for the 4th time in a row!
 

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Boksic

Senior Member
May 11, 2005
14,300
It seems like Allegri's 3-5-2 is really detrimental to the wing backs.

Pogba and the opposite centre mid seems to be playing right on the touchline at times, which looks to be creating much less space for Asamoah/Evra/Licht who seem to suffer.

Of course this is creating more space for Tevez in the middle but it is making us more reliant on him and seems to be taking away the threat of our goals from midfield from Pogba/Vidal getting into the box.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,985
Even on Juve's Facebook page every comment is calling for an end to the 3-5-2 :touched:
:lol: I know fans always think they know best and all that but when everybody on the fking planet is pointing something out it's time to maybe take a look
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This time is difficult to argue against it.
Unlike the times of Ferrara as coach, Del Neri and Ranieri.... this time the team is not as fuked up, and as full of total rejects. We have enought to try a new thing at the very least in seire A
 

Van Helsing

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2007
2,582
#nomore3-5-2

finally players understand that and I hope Allegri will change his mind. playing defensive football against the small teams is unacceptable for Juventus. I watched the other matches and I can clearly say that Juventus is one of the worst offensive team. slow, static, zero creativy and boring. If you want to win in Europe, you need fast and skillful wingers.

Chelsea : Willian, Hazard, Schurrle (all fast)
Real Madrid : Ronaldo, Bale, Jese Rodriguez (all fast)
Barcelona : Messi,Pedro,Neymar (all fast)
Borussia Dortmund : Aubameyang, Reus, BlaBlaowyski (all fast)
Bayern Munich : Robben, Ribery, Shaqiri (all fast)
PSG : Lucas, Lavezzi (all fast)

in short ;

WINGERS IS LOVE, WINGERS IS LIFE !

also I noticed something, their strikers are not fast but physically and technically strong(not like Llorente, Morata maybe).. Ibrahimoviç, Cavani, Lewandowski, Diego Costa, Benzema...
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,985
yep, those are minimum requirements for glory.
Your main scorer should be a mini one man army. But those players costs. Maybe morata can evolve into something close to that. Llorente isnt
 

DelPieroJuve

Senior Member
Oct 25, 2014
1,048
Wingers Available (on top of my head)

Shaqiri
Berardi
Candevra,
Shurrle (not playing much),
Draxler,
Cuadrado,
Gaitan,
Bernand,
Muniain,
Konoplyanka (free :D)
Yarlamenkom,
Jese (real madrid one),
Min Son
Ayew (free :D)
Depay
Nani
Januzaj? (will they let go of him?)
Keita
Volland
Feghouli
Sindney Sam (him and vidal were close apparently)



Which ones would you pick?
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
Wingers Available (on top of my head)

Shaqiri
Berardi
Candevra,
Shurrle (not playing much),
Draxler,
Cuadrado,
Gaitan,
Bernand,
Muniain,
Konoplyanka (free :D)
Yarlamenkom,
Jese (real madrid one),
Min Son
Ayew (free :D)
Depay
Nani
Januzaj? (will they let go of him?)
Keita
Volland
Feghouli
Sindney Sam (him and vidal were close apparently)



Which ones would you pick?
half of those arent available to us. the other half are either finished, not good enough and a few nice options. like Shaqiri or Depay. or the 2 Ukrainians for free...
 

DelPieroJuve

Senior Member
Oct 25, 2014
1,048
half of those arent available to us. the other half are either finished, not good enough and a few nice options. like Shaqiri or Depay. or the 2 Ukrainians for free...
who is finished?

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I'd actually take quite a lot of the ones from that list.
my choice would be

schurrle 20-25m
berardi 12m (half)
konoplaynka (free)
ayew(free)
 

Pirlo's Beard

Junkie Joe Joyce
Oct 2, 2013
11,410
Can somebody please talk me through how a club with so much pull and resources, is relying on a bunch of fucking defenders to pull off half of our attacking plays?

Can somebody tell me why when we need a goal we let our bench rot, and we push Chiellini to Left attacking mid, Bonucci to Attacking mid and Licht to RW.
 

italiacalcio10

Senior Member
Mar 3, 2014
3,866
Wingers Available (on top of my head)

Shaqiri
Berardi
Candevra,
Shurrle (not playing much),
Draxler,

Cuadrado,
Gaitan,

Bernand, DUNNO
Muniain,
Konoplyanka (free :D) DUNNO
Yarlamenkom, DUNNO
Jese (real madrid one), *As long RM has an option to buy him back at 10MM more.
Min Son DUNNO
Ayew (free :D)
Depay
Nani
Januzaj? (will they let go of him?)***
Keita
Volland
Feghouli
Sindney Sam (him and vidal were close apparently)



Which ones would you pick?
IMO the bolded are obtainable, while the underlined are obtainable at a very high price. The ones I wrote DUNNO beside means I know nothing about the players situation. *** means unattainable in my opinion.

I'd love to get Depay or Draxler. We need world class potential. I think worst case, these two end up being good players. Best case, they're in the same class as Pogba.

As for my rationale behind some of the ones at very high prices other than the obvious Draxler/Depay due to potential world class ability, the others are a function of:
-Lazio owning them...they will milk us
-Fiorentina owning them...they will milk us even more than Lazio.
-Benfica...the portuguese teams I'm convinced are the number one source of overpriced busts.
-Bilbao, who would rather sit a player all year and lose him on a free, than sell him for a reasonable price.
-Being from a team like Chelsea that has no incentive to sell...
 

DelPieroJuve

Senior Member
Oct 25, 2014
1,048
IMO the bolded are obtainable, while the underlined are obtainable at a very high price. The ones I wrote DUNNO beside means I know nothing about the players situation. *** means unattainable in my opinion.

I'd love to get Depay or Draxler. We need world class potential. I think worst case, these two end up being good players. Best case, they're in the same class as Pogba.

As for my rationale behind some of the ones at very high prices other than the obvious Draxler/Depay due to potential world class ability, the others are a function of:
-Lazio owning them...they will milk us
-Fiorentina owning them...they will milk us even more than Lazio.
-Benfica...the portuguese teams I'm convinced are the number one source of overpriced busts.
-Bilbao, who would rather sit a player all year and lose him on a free, than sell him for a reasonable price.
-Being from a team like Chelsea that has no incentive to sell...
one of konoplaynka or yarlamenko should be easily attainable
 

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