Türkiye (9 Viewers)

[Seven]

Losing a war sucks, still nowhere near what euros did in africa

That's not really an argument though. And I'm not even sure you should be comparing these things to begin with. Both are bad and both are wrong, it's that Europe's wrongdoings in Africa were more extensive over a longer period of time.

 

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[Völler]

Losing a war sucks, still nowhere near what euros did in africa

I love how you went from agreeing with swag's post about not judging the past to bringing up the colonisation of Africa in the next line.

Also, the issue with the Armenian Genocide is that Turkey isn't acknowledging it.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I love how you went from agreeing with swag's post about not judging the past to bringing up the colonisation of Africa in the next line.

Also, the issue with the Armenian Genocide is that Turkey isn't acknowledging it.

Is france acknowledging its killing of a million algerians?

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That's not really an argument though. And I'm not even sure you should be comparing these things to begin with. Both are bad and both are wrong, it's that Europe's wrongdoings in Africa were more extensive over a longer period of time.

The point is none of these countries should be calling anybody out

 

[swag]

Blood is on everyone's hands. Welcome to human history.

 

[Völler]

Is france acknowledging its killing of a million algerians?

I think they've acknowledged it, but not apologized. But fair point. Anyway, my intention was not to make a comparison, but to point out that Turkey should acknowledge their past. You might be right when saying that other countries aren't in a position to call them out, but what's the alternative?

 

[Martin]

I think they've acknowledged it, but not apologized. But fair point. Anyway, my intention was not to make a comparison, but to point out that Turkey should acknowledge their past. You might be right when saying that other countries aren't in a position to call it out, but what's the alternative?

I think X is a fan of omertà

 

[Völler]

I think X is a fan of omertà

He's definitely a g.

 

[Seven]

Is france acknowledging its killing of a million algerians?

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The point is none of these countries should be calling anybody out

Countries calling out other countries is always dangerous. You see this with war crimes in particular. But the question is if that means you can't ever say anything.

Is it for example wrong to have the ICC convict Bemba (they've only convicted Africans so far), because theoretically there are at least 5 or 6 US citizens and former government officials who should also face charges? Or is it still a good thing because at least one criminal is going to jail?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I think they've acknowledged it, but not apologized. But fair point. Anyway, my intention was not to make a comparison, but to point out that Turkey should acknowledge their past. You might be right when saying that other countries aren't in a position to call them out, but what's the alternative?

I think X is a fan of omertà

Countries calling out other countries is always dangerous. You see this with war crimes in particular. But the question is if that means you can't ever say anything.

Is it for example wrong to have the ICC convict Bemba (they've only convicted Africans so far), because theoretically there are at least 5 or 6 US citizens and former government officials who should also face charges? Or is it still a good thing because at least one criminal is going to jail?

Sorry to bunch all your replies in one, image is definitely a reality all have to contend with, in the West is the appeasement of the so called humanist (leftie) sensitivities and in the rest of the world it is their human rights record, all part of the game. What i try to avoid as best as i can is getting emotionally pulled into something that very much is pragmatic with a very clear financial end game.

 

[Ocelot]

Germany doesn't have any financial or geopolitical incentive to provoce Turkey like that right now imo

If that's what you're implying.

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Is it for example wrong to have the ICC convict Bemba (they've only convicted Africans so far), because theoretically there are at least 5 or 6 US citizens and former government officials who should also face charges? Or is it still a good thing because at least one criminal is going to jail?

This, plus European nations generally at least acknowledge the crimes of their past. You can argue that this might not make that much of a difference, and that instead of complaining about the genocide a century ago they should complain about the killings and human rights violations going on in Turkey right now (especially with the Kurds), but that's a different thing alltogether.

 

[Ronn]

This move by Germany will solidify the islamo-nationalistic support Erdogan is enjoying right now, which is sad.

 

[Eddy]

. What i try to avoid as best as i can is getting emotionally pulled into something that very much is pragmatic with a very clear financial end game.

and it very much should, i still have my great grandmother's key to the house in Zeitun to where im from and it's pretty obvious I won't be allowed to go back or even live there

This move by Germany will solidify the islamo-nationalistic support Erdogan is enjoying right now, which is sad.

the funny thing is, it would have no bearing whatsoever to what happened 101 years ago

 

[Valerio.]

This move by Germany will solidify the islamo-nationalistic support Erdogan is enjoying right now, which is sad.

hope it's a move to tell them to feck off from Europe
Given how they're supporting ISIS and the dirty job about migrants.

 

[DAiDEViL]

http://archysde.com/erdogan-for-blood-tests-in-the-case-of-turkish-origin-members/


Erdogan for blood tests in the case of Turkish-origin members
Posted on June 6, dpa

Istanbul. After the genocide Resolution in Germany, the Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has intensified his attacks on ethnic Turkish deputies in the Bundestag.

“Some say the Turks,” Erdogan said on Sunday evening in Istanbul. “What kind of Turks, please?” Erdogan spoke out to let the members of blood samples. “Your blood may need to be examined by a laboratory test.” The Green-boss Cem Özdemir, who was one of the initiators of the on Thursday in the Bundestag, adopted a Resolution, calling Erdogan a “know-it-alls”.

On Saturday, Erdogan had attacked the Turkish-origin deputies in the Bundestag. “There will be eleven Turks,” Erdogan said. “Like hell it is. You have nothing to do with Turkishness in common. Your blood is eventually corrupted.” He accused the deputies also of the outlawed Kurdish workers ' party to serve the PKK as an extended Arm in Germany. “It is already known, whose voice you are,” Erdogan said. “The separatist terrorist organization in this country, you are the extension in Germany.”

oh fuck off you turkish wannabe Adolf.

the damage this idiot is doing to his Country

 

[lgorTudor]

Does the blood tell what nation you're from? We might need a biochemist to clarify this @Zacheryah

 

[JuveJay]

Not really, although you can determine roughly which part of the world someone comes from with certain markers in the DNA, but I have a feeling DNA doesn't observe international borders.

Hopefully Erdogan takes one and they link his heritage back to the region around Mesopotamia rather than Anatolia.

 

[Zacheryah]

Does the blood tell what nation you're from? We might need a biochemist to clarify this @Zacheryah

I can confirm Erdogan is a massive idiot without reading his latest bullshit

 

[ReBeL]

and it very much should, i still have my great grandmother's key to the house in Zeitun to where im from and it's pretty obvious I won't be allowed to go back or even live there

Eddy, I think we have to think of using our keys in some useful thing as we will never have the chance to use them to open their original doors. And by the way, not only the doors changed. The whole houses are gone now.

 

[Eddy]

Eddy, I think we have to think of using our keys in some useful thing as we will never have the chance to use them to open their original doors. And by the way, not only the doors changed. The whole houses are gone now.

that's pretty obvious no ?

 

[Elvin]

Why the fuck does Germany give a shit about what happened or not happened 100 years ago?
I just don't get it. Don't they have more important things to worry about? What's the purpose, seriously?