Swiss vote to ban minaret construction (2 Viewers)

[Osman]

Well its rare, and its beside the point. Its not a must, and generally only is useful for a very predominately muslim neighbourhood, not elsewhere. There are TONS of mosques in the western world who dont have call to prayers, people just come there to pray.

Even this thread has been a long line of jokes, what the Swiss just did is a shameful disgrace.

 

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[Martin]

Osman, totally off topic question. Do you consider yourself European?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

No, he's a Human Being, asshole, a member of the Great Apes.

 

[Osman]

Osman, totally off topic question. Do you consider yourself European?

In parts, yes, thats despite being made very clear to me I'm not since childhood.

 

[Ford Prefect]

Osman, totally off topic question. Do you consider yourself European?

I know that wasnt directed at me but you just asked him an incredibly subjective question. Europe is such a large area, which a population of over 500 mil, there are going to be hundreds if not thousands of interpreations of what being 'European' is. I consider myself completely 'European', i am a reliastic federalist. But there are many British people that view being 'European' as something that is extremly negative. (i prefer to call those people Fucking Morons)

What do you consider yourself and what is your definition of being 'European'?

 

[Snoop]

Osman try to look at this case from non-Muslim of angle. Why would anyone want mosques and someone screaming regularly, would you accept something like that if you were a non-religious? why should they have to respect and bear all that?

 

[Yamen]

Osman try to look at this case from non-Muslim of angle. Why would anyone want mosques and someone screaming regularly, would you accept something like that if you were a non-religious? why should you have to respect all that?

Inta Shetan!!

 

[Martin]

In parts, yes, thats despite being made very clear to me I'm not since childhood.

Made it clear in what sense? By your family or by your surroundings?

 

[Snoop]

Inta Shetan!!

I know, that's what they called me and Christians all the time here, actually it was kuffar

 

[Osman]

Osman try to look at this case from non-Muslim of angle. Why would anyone want mosques and someone screaming regularly, would you accept something like that if you were a non-religious? why should they have to respect and bear all that?

You are fucking ridicolous, I get you are atheist, but you cant be this biased.

What Swiss have done is fueled with NOTHING but extreme bigotry, do you even KNOW the party that made this happen? And YES I would accept it, because people have THE DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS TO EXPRESS THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. Thats the whole frigging point, and what the Swiss has done is nothing but faschist move to trample on that based on basic fearmongering. Secularism and democracies fail when peoples rights are limited based on sheer fearmongering and bigotry. This is the first real law that is based on nothing but islamophobia.

You dont like religion, I get it, I'm not practicing religion, nor do I think religion should rule or govern much of anything, just be a private matter, but this is ridicolous, and it will only get worse when likes of you excuse it like this.

 

[Osman]

Made it clear in what sense? By your family or by your surroundings?

By my sourroundings.

 

[Martin]

I know that wasnt directed at me but you just asked him an incredibly subjective question. Europe is such a large area, which a population of over 500 mil, there are going to be hundreds if not thousands of interpreations of what being 'European' is. I consider myself completely 'European', i am a reliastic federalist. But there are many British people that view being 'European' as something that is extremly negative. (i prefer to call those people Fucking Morons)

What do you consider yourself and what is your definition of being 'European'?

Glad you answered too, indeed because I'm aware there is that attitude in the UK.

I've never really been patriotic about my country, rather I tend to be somewhat patriotic about Europe. Purely in the sense that "because I was born here it must be the best". Or something silly like that.

No, but the thing that it means to me is that idea of European integration. We've had maybe the most violent and ugliest history of any continent, and yet at the present time we're trying to (or at least I would like to think so) create a certain spirit of unity. That really makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

 

[Lion]

Europe isn't all that. USA and Canada kicks your ass anyday everyday.

you guys are full of yourselves.

 

[Martin]

By my sourroundings.

Sucks to hear that.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Osman try to look at this case from non-Muslim of angle. Why would anyone want mosques and someone screaming regularly, would you accept something like that if you were a non-religious? why should they have to respect and bear all that?

if there are a few mosques in europe, there are hundreds of churches in muslim lands. this could be good reason for them. it's not like being obstinate will gain them something in this case.

 

[Snoop]

You are fucking ridicolous, I get you are atheist, but you cant be this biased.

What Swiss have done is fueled with NOTHING but extreme bigotry, do you even KNOW the party that made this happen? And YES I would accept it, because people have THE DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS TO EXPRESS THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. Thats the whole frigging point, and what the Swiss has done is nothing but faschist move to trample on that based on basic fearmongering.

I understand their fear and all. I would understand if they don't want mosques all over the country in the future, and listen the azan all the time. Sure It's not annoying for you, just a prayer and I understand that you want that to be respected. But can you expect them to bear that? why should they accept anything like that in their country? Churches are not like that for example, they don't scream or make prayers on microphone. Call me ridiculous and all you want, but if you were on the other side, you would understand what I am talking about. People don't want to practice religions, or others showing off their religious activities, it's annoying, and they have all the right to be scared of all those activities. We saw what's going on around the world in the name of religion, even if the religion doesn't teach that, I understand their concern, and I admit, this is the EASIEST WAY!

 

[Snoop]

You dont like religion, I get it, I'm not practicing religion, nor do I think religion should rule or govern much of anything, just be a private matter, but this is ridicolous, and it will only get worse when likes of you excuse it like this.

Just saw this part, I agree with this. If it is private (without the noise), then I am all for it and the freedom you are talking about.

 

[Martin]

Dude, having a building doesn't mean you have to use it as a launchpad for noise (does it?) They can just as well have them and not make any noise (this would be regulated under a completely separate law anyway).

 

[Bjerknes]

This has nothing to do with minarets and call to prayer in particular, but the totally racist rightwing extremist majority party being "clever" in setting it as a symbol for their hate (you should hear the shit the "leader" that initiated this says, nothing short of nazi propoganda moves), I seen reports on this all week, and its nothing but pure xenophobia, Swiss doesnt have ghetto suburbs filled with predominately immigrants/muslims like other western countries (but more like immigrants/muslims live amongst swiss in general), so they couldnt use an area as a symbol of their hate, easy to poiunt, and had to be more selective and "clever" about it, in choosing something that is noticeable. And whats noticeable in every day life for Swiss? The simple mosques that are visible due to their minarets, minarets that are no different from church towers.

Corious, basically been a GENERAL policy by rightwing bigoted parties across europe (the fuckers have an continent wide association where they meet) to ease off the usual hate all foreigners schtick to now exclusively feeding on the islamophobia and targetting that as fearmongering goldmine (they did this in Sweden recently).

Its lovely for the oh so "nice" swiss to show their colours. Now they are nothing diffferent from the dannish, austrians and so on. In fact, worse because this law is takes it quite further. I mean, how ironic isnt it that this law is registered just below the law that says everyone has the right to express their religious beliefs.

I understand the situation and heard some Swiss views on the subject last night on the news. Obviously, I do not agree with what those right-wingers are doing, but I will probably never understand the need to disrupt God's green Earth with loud shouts of prayer. That was what I was originally asking about.

 

[Snoop]

if there are a few mosques in europe, there are hundreds of churches in muslim lands. this could be good reason for them. it's not like being obstinate will gain them something in this case.

I knew this was coming, and I mentioned it in my previous post. Churches are not like mosques, they don't make that much noise (except Sunday mornings), if it does, do the same exactly, it's your right!