Summer Mercato Thread 2019-20 (72 Viewers)

[Osman]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/20/...entus-transfer.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur


Simple and short piece, but it highlights the dysfunctional short term team building that leads to the fuckery that is our and few other teams sale woes.

 

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[Quetzalcoatl]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/20/...entus-transfer.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur


Simple and short piece, but it highlights the dysfunctional short term team building that leads to the fuckery that is our and few other teams sale woes.

I still dont believe we sold Kean because he didn't want to sign a new contract

 

[j0ker]

I still dont believe we sold Kean because he didn't want to sign a new contract

What should have we done?

Let him go for free?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

What should have we done?

Let him go for free?

I think you misunderstood me. I mean I do not believe that he did not want to sign a new contract, rather, we needed the money and he was easy profit

 

[j0ker]

I think you misunderstood me. I mean I do not believe that he did not want to sign a new contract, rather, we needed the money and he was easy profit

Raiola made it clear many times that he needs to play.

Could we guarantee him a starting place? No.

 

[juve123]

If Rugani is indeed on his way to Roma, how many more players we have to sell so that we don't exclude anyone from CL list?

We currently have 27 man squad but perin and pjaca are injured so it is effectively 25 man squad so another three players need to be sold as we can have 21 man squad plus four homegrown players

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Raiola made it clear many times that he needs to play.

Could we guarantee him a starting place? No.

Playing time =/= a starting place

Seems Everton didn't guarantee him a starting place either

 

[j0ker]

Playing time =/= a starting place

Seems Everton didn't guarantee him a starting place either

https://www.football-italia.net/136223/raiola-warns-juve-over-kean

 

[Orgut]

Playing time =/= a starting place

Seems Everton didn't guarantee him a starting place either

Usually it takes time to integrate players - Watch our first Serie A game and see that some players who should be starters will be on the bench (MDL for example)

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

https://www.football-italia.net/136223/raiola-warns-juve-over-kean

Yes, and he could have played here if we didn't have other players we were incapable of selling, like the article says

 

[juve123]

Usually it takes time to integrate players - Watch our first Serie A game and see that some players who should be starters will be on the bench (MDL for example)

I am sure de ligt has not joined juve to sit on the bench

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Usually it takes time to integrate players - Watch our first Serie A game and see that some players who should be starters will be on the bench (MDL for example)

I know

 

[italiacalcio10]

The real solution is getting rid of FFP. The big teams don't really get punished if they are in violation (see PSG), and all it does is stop middling teams from becoming elite. Milan, and Inter have been handcuffed due to FFP and have been delayed by 5+ years because of that stupid rule. Roma needs to constantly sell players. FFP limits equity contribution which is stupid since that is the company literally pouring money into the club. It's not debt. It's not going to make the company insolvent. FFP is just a way of protecting big teams from smaller teams getting larger. But the problem is the EPL is growing like crazy and those smaller teams can actually afford to sign bigger players, meaning that Serie A and La Liga are stuck. They cannot grow their brands because it is very difficult for teams outside the top 3 to actually move into the elite.

Serie A is ****ed right now due to 3 reasons:
- FFP, which keeps the Milans down, and suppresses TV deals.
- Red tap in Italy preventing new arenas
- A complete drought in elite Italian talent (2 of the most promising ones Cassano and Balotelli ended up having serious personality problems)

If I'm the FIGC, I lobby for tax free player salaries. Turn it into a tax haven and give yourself a real advantage.

 

[JCK]

This forum is boring when @Mark is not posting

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If Rugani is indeed on his way to Roma, how many more players we have to sell so that we don't exclude anyone from CL list?

Five

 

[j0ker]

Yes, and he could have played here if we didn't have other players we were incapable of selling, like the article says

That article is an opinion, these are Raiola's words.

And "always play" is pretty much asking for a starting spot.

 

[juve123]

The real solution is getting rid of FFP. The big teams don't really get punished if they are in violation (see PSG), and all it does is stop middling teams from becoming elite. Milan, and Inter have been handcuffed due to FFP and have been delayed by 5+ years because of that stupid rule. Roma needs to constantly sell players. FFP limits equity contribution which is stupid since that is the company literally pouring money into the club. It's not debt. It's not going to make the company insolvent. FFP is just a way of protecting big teams from smaller teams getting larger. But the problem is the EPL is growing like crazy and those smaller teams can actually afford to sign bigger players, meaning that Serie A and La Liga are stuck. They cannot grow their brands because it is very difficult for teams outside the top 3 to actually move into the elite.

Serie A is ****ed right now due to 3 reasons:
- FFP, which keeps the Milans down, and suppresses TV deals.
- Red tap in Italy preventing new arenas
- A complete drought in elite Italian talent (2 of the most promising ones Cassano and Balotelli ended up having serious personality problems)

If I'm the FIGC, I lobby for tax free player salaries. Turn it into a tax haven and give yourself a real advantage.

Financial Fair Play (FFP) was established by UEFA to make sure that football clubs were not spending more than they earned and, in doing so, prevent them from falling into financial troubles which may endanger their long-term survival – and, in their words, "improve the overall financial health of European football".

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

That article is an opinion, these are Raiola's words.

And "always play" is pretty much asking for a starting spot.

That's how you interpret it. I think Kean and Raiola would have been happy to be first off the bench at Juve over more playing time at Everton. But unfortunately we still have Higuain and Mandzukic on our books, so leaving Juve made more sense

 

[Osman]

Raiola made it clear many times that he needs to play.

Could we guarantee him a starting place? No.

There has not been a single instance of Kean demanding a starting spot in Juve.

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https://www.football-italia.net/136223/raiola-warns-juve-over-kean

When he said that Kean wasnt playing AT ALL for whole of first half of the season (hence why he was close to being loaned out). Not even 10 minute subs. 2nd half changed all of that, he was nr one off the bench with several starts. There is difference wanting more minutes, to demanding starting spot. Raiola is an ass, but he is not illogical, he was hardly demanding starting spot in stacked attacked, but more playing time.

 

[Luftwaffles]

The real solution is getting rid of FFP. The big teams don't really get punished if they are in violation (see PSG), and all it does is stop middling teams from becoming elite. Milan, and Inter have been handcuffed due to FFP and have been delayed by 5+ years because of that stupid rule. Roma needs to constantly sell players. FFP limits equity contribution which is stupid since that is the company literally pouring money into the club. It's not debt. It's not going to make the company insolvent. FFP is just a way of protecting big teams from smaller teams getting larger. But the problem is the EPL is growing like crazy and those smaller teams can actually afford to sign bigger players, meaning that Serie A and La Liga are stuck. They cannot grow their brands because it is very difficult for teams outside the top 3 to actually move into the elite.

Serie A is ****ed right now due to 3 reasons:
- FFP, which keeps the Milans down, and suppresses TV deals.
- Red tap in Italy preventing new arenas
- A complete drought in elite Italian talent (2 of the most promising ones Cassano and Balotelli ended up having serious personality problems)

If I'm the FIGC, I lobby for tax free player salaries. Turn it into a tax haven and give yourself a real advantage.

Re the last paragraph, how would that play with the general public in Italy?

 

[tassard]

They don't even know who they want to sell.

They change their minds bases on the players will