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[kappa96]

some unknown guru news from VS even if we don't trust them.

I've been saying that allegri is back since his villa visit. It's not even news at this point.
Too many clues point in that direction.

I would be extremely surprised if anyone else comes on our bench.

 

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[Robee]

Could u guys see Kulu in a Mandzu role on the left wing in 4231? IMO it could work.

He doesn't have the legs, heading game nor the hold-up play for it.

But he could fill in the left wing role a different way if he can adapt to the left side imo.

 

[U Picciriddu]

He doesn't have the legs, heading game nor the hold-up play for it.

But he could fill in the left wing role a different way if he can adapt to the left side imo.

He has the legs. Covered most ground, or was at least in top 5 in that regard, last season

 

[il brutto]

He has the legs. Covered most ground, or was at least in top 5 in that regard, last season

This. Kulu is one of the hardest working wingers out there and definitely has the legs and the lungs to play any role. His problems lie elsewhere.

 

[Robee]

He has the legs. Covered most ground, or was at least in top 5 in that regard, last season

Nothing compared to Mandzukic and he obviously struggled in the first half of the season to do the defensive and attacking roles. He lost his cutting edge and his better games were always when relieved of too much defensive duties.

Covering the most ground doesn't mean you're effective doing it. The intensity at Juve is completely different to Parma.

 

[il brutto]

Am I missing something about calhanoglu? His numbers look good (4 goals, 10 assists) he’s in his prime (27) and fills a position of need. It’s a legit question because I haven’t watched him closely since he played in leverkusen. back then he was an elite set specialist as well. Is he washed or something? Why is getting him on a free transfer a bad idea?

For what it's worth I wouldn't mind signing Hakan for free. Imo he has found the right maturity in the past couple of seasons. By that I mean that he puts in a shift defensively, presses well and generally plays with the right intensity. It's also true that his end product can be a bit hit and miss so can see why some are a bit pessimistic.

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Nothing compared to Mandzukic and he obviously struggled in the first half of the season to do the defensive and attacking roles. He lost his cutting edge and his better games were always when relieved of too much defensive duties.

Covering the most ground doesn't mean you're effective doing it. The intensity at Juve is completely different to Parma.

It was more of a tactical issue with him. He didn't understand when to run and where to run. In terms of pure work-rate Kulu doesn't pale in comparison to Mandzo at all.

 

[Robee]

For what it's worth I wouldn't mind signing Hakan for free. Imo he has found the right maturity in the past couple of seasons. By that I mean that he puts in a shift defensively, presses well and generally plays with the right intensity. It's also true that his end product can be a bit hit and miss so can see why some are a bit pessimistic.

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It was more of a tactical issue with him. He didn't understand when to run and where to run. In terms of pure work-rate Kulu doesn't pale in comparison to Mandzo at all.

He does. Mandzukic was winning duels every-fucking-where. Inside our own box heading away, blocking shots, sliding, etc. Upfront holding up the ball, heading through, getting inside the box. Kulu misses the intensity and pure physical power to do that. And not even a little bit too. Besides that he's obviously another type of player. But I definitely like him.

Pirlo for instance was also one of the players covering the most ground for us back in the day but that doesn't mean he could do what Lichtsteiner did... Distance is one thing, speed, power and intensity are totally different things.

 

[il brutto]

He does. Mandzukic was winning duels every-fucking-where. Inside our own box heading away, blocking shots, sliding, etc. Upfront holding up the ball, heading through, getting inside the box. Kulu misses the intensity and pure physical power to do that. And not even a little bit too. Besides that he's obviously another type of player. But I definitely like him.

Pirlo for instance was also one of the players covering the most ground for us back in the day but that doesn't mean he could do what Lichtsteiner did... Distance is one thing, speed, power and intensity are totally different things.

He certainly lacks the defensive skills of Mandzo but that has nothing to do with having less legs. You put prime Mandzo and this Kulu in any kind of running competition and Kulu wins imo. Thus the comment about not having the legs for that role is just not true.

 

[juve123]

He certainly lacks the defensive skills of Mandzo but that has nothing to do with having less legs. You put prime Mandzo and this Kulu in any kind of running competition and Kulu wins imo. Thus the comment about not having the legs for that role is just not true.

Between the moody Hakan and consistent De Paul who would you prefer

 

[il brutto]

Between the moody Hakan and consistent De Paul who would you prefer

I've seen very little of De Paul compared to Hakan so don't think I'm in the best position to comment. However for some reason De Paul hasn't ever really fully convinced me when I've watched him. He does have really good stats though so perhaps I'm just missing something.

The short answer to your question is that I prefer Hakan.

 

[Robee]

He certainly lacks the defensive skills of Mandzo but that has nothing to do with having less legs. You put prime Mandzo and this Kulu in any kind of running competition and Kulu wins imo. Thus the comment about not having the legs for that role is just not true.

Nah man. Kulu simply doesn't have the intensity. Kulu can run long, not long and hard like Mandzu did. Mandzu never got tired of sprinting even if he obviously wasn't the fastest. I think I'm yet to see Kulu sprinting. Running competitions aren't interval, that's the whole point.

 

[il brutto]

Nah man. Kulu simply doesn't have the intensity. Kulu can run long, not long and hard like Mandzu did. Mandzu never got tired of sprinting even if he obviously wasn't the fastest. I think I'm yet to see Kulu sprinting.

You're talking about "grinta" which Kulu obviously lacks compared to Mandzo. In terms of actual running i.e. using your legs, Kulu wins. This is both true for total distance run and the distance sprinted. These are facts, there's nothing to disagree about here.

 

[juve123]

Nah man. Kulu simply doesn't have the intensity. Kulu can run long, not long and hard like Mandzu did. Mandzu never got tired of sprinting even if he obviously wasn't the fastest. I think I'm yet to see Kulu sprinting.

I am yet to see any outstanding quality of Kulusevski no pace bad first touch poor dribbling skills

 

[Robee]

You're talking about "grinta" which Kulu obviously lacks compared to Mandzo. In terms of actual running i.e. using your legs, Kulu wins. This is both true for total distance run and the distance sprinted. These are facts, there's nothing to disagree about here.

No, I'm not. I'm talking about running at intensity & building up lactic acid... Mandzu kept going at 100%. Kulu rarely ever does that and that's why he can't do what Mandzu did. It demands full force in both phases.

 

[il brutto]

No, I'm not. I'm talking about intensity, building up lactic acid, fast muscle fibers, etc.

Then you're simply wrong. You're free to check the game reports if you don't believe me.

 

[U Picciriddu]

To be fair, Kulu wasn’t a defensive miracle at Parma last year, even though he covered a lot of ground.

Considering he was 19 and 20 years old, it isn’t a problem for me. Even now at 21 there’s still plenty of time to learn it. It’s imo easier to learn how to defend than learn how to attack.

But saying he doesn’t has the legs for a future Mandzukic role, that’s imo wrong and the statistics of last year prove it. Mandzukic was stronger and had more balance, besides that he had a way more aggressive approach. But we’re comparing prime Mandzukic to a youngster in his second season at the highest level in Italy.

I think Kulu is having a difficult season because of several things; the pressure, not having a true position, bad coaching, no clear game plan or tactics.

Hopefully Allegri returns, I think that he’s able to work miracles with Kulu. The left side should become his side, Chiesa on the right.

One of Kulu’s main attributes last year was receiving the bal on his own half, than dribbling into space and eventually giving a key pass around the opponents box. Was something really remarkable in his style, we haven’t seen much of that this year, also due to the fact that he preferred a pass to Morata and Ronaldo instead of dribbling.

Still much work to do, very raw talent, and seems to be the guy who needs some mental coaching aswel. Chiesa is more of a born killer then he is.

 

[juve123]

To be fair, Kulu wasn’t a defensive miracle at Parma last year, even though he covered a lot of ground.

Considering he was 19 and 20 years old, it isn’t a problem for me. Even now at 21 there’s still plenty of time to learn it. It’s imo easier to learn how to defend than learn how to attack.

But saying he doesn’t has the legs for a future Mandzukic role, that’s imo wrong and the statistics of last year prove it. Mandzukic was stronger and had more balance, besides that he had a way more aggressive approach. But we’re comparing prime Mandzukic to a youngster in his second season at the highest level in Italy.

I think Kulu is having a difficult season because of several things; the pressure, not having a true position, bad coaching, no clear game plan or tactics.

Hopefully Allegri returns, I think that he’s able to work miracles with Kulu. The left side should become his side, Chiesa on the right.

One of Kulu’s main attributes last year was receiving the bal on his own half, than dribbling into space and eventually giving a key pass around the opponents box. Was something really remarkable in his style, we haven’t seen much of that this year, also due to the fact that he preferred a pass to Morata and Ronaldo instead of dribbling.

Still much work to do, very raw talent, and seems to be the guy who needs some mental coaching aswel. Chiesa is more of a born killer then he is.

Because Kulusevski doesn't have the skills of a winger which Chiesa has

 

[Robee]

Then you're simply wrong. You're free to check the game reports if you don't believe me.

Simply looking at what he does objectively is better. Mandzu ran up and down 3-4 times at full speed... Haven't ever ever seen Kulu do that.

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To be fair, Kulu wasn’t a defensive miracle at Parma last year, even though he covered a lot of ground.

Considering he was 19 and 20 years old, it isn’t a problem for me. Even now at 21 there’s still plenty of time to learn it. It’s imo easier to learn how to defend than learn how to attack.

But saying he doesn’t has the legs for a future Mandzukic role, that’s imo wrong and the statistics of last year prove it. Mandzukic was stronger and had more balance, besides that he had a way more aggressive approach. But we’re comparing prime Mandzukic to a youngster in his second season at the highest level in Italy.

I think Kulu is having a difficult season because of several things; the pressure, not having a true position, bad coaching, no clear game plan or tactics.

Hopefully Allegri returns, I think that he’s able to work miracles with Kulu. The left side should become his side, Chiesa on the right.

One of Kulu’s main attributes last year was receiving the bal on his own half, than dribbling into space and eventually giving a key pass around the opponents box. Was something really remarkable in his style, we haven’t seen much of that this year, also due to the fact that he preferred a pass to Morata and Ronaldo instead of dribbling.

Still much work to do, very raw talent, and seems to be the guy who needs some mental coaching aswel. Chiesa is more of a born killer then he is.

Which stats? Because running distance is only one small % of it. Eg. Pirlo covered a lot of distance as well.

I like the guy and can see him exploding in the next years but sitting back with Parma and countering is completely different then what Mandzu did for us. Actually, I see Chiesa as much more similar -running wise that is-.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Simply looking at what he does objectively is better. Mandzu ran up and down 3-4 times at full speed... Haven't ever ever seen Kulu do that.

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Which stats? Because running distance is only one small % of it. Eg. Pirlo covered a lot of distance as well.

I like the guy and can see him exploding in the next years but sitting back with Parma and countering is completely different then what Mandzu did for us. Actually, I see Chiesa as much more similar -running wise that is-.

Show me the Pirlo stats before I show you the Kulu stats

Or straight swap but we need a middle man

I don’t trust you

 

[s4tch]

I've seen very little of De Paul compared to Hakan so don't think I'm in the best position to comment. However for some reason De Paul hasn't ever really fully convinced me when I've watched him. He does have really good stats though so perhaps I'm just missing something.

The short answer to your question is that I prefer Hakan.

did hakan convince you then? with what?

calhanoglu's shots are good, he's got slightly better defending potential (he was decent at it in leverkusen, shit at milan, but it can be a tactical choice as he plays higher on the pitch usuall), otherwise i think de paul is arguably the better player. much better vision, better runs forward, better workrate, more useful in the box, similarly good passing, more physical, and he can actually dribble, unlike most cm's. hakan is also too soft for my liking. i saw de paul live a couple of years ago vs juve, he was going for the duels. gonna check this later, i bet he's got much better duel success rate than hakan, and that's something our mids are completely shit in.

cost wise, hard to beat calhanoglu on a bosman though. de paul on a 5-year contract, 30m transfer, 3,5m net wages would cost 3-3,5m more than calhanoglu on a free transfer & 5m net. i hope agnelli won't let tici sign hakan before the end of june, and the new sports director will go for de paul instead, despite the slightly higher overall cost.