Summer mercato 2021-22 (50 Viewers)

[Robee]

He opened us up (I know not that hard) but he can create chances which nobody in our midfield can.

I haven't watched enough of Milan to know what % of the 10 assists were from set pieces. But either way it is a positive contribution and something we have lacked. I'd happily take 10 goals from indirect free-kicks/corners.

What? He didn't... Unless you mean the two free kicks in which we opened ourselves up by dropping the ball or letting Tomori unguarded.

But yeah, at least he's a different type of midfielder. We got that right.... by coincidence.

 

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[Adrian]

We cant be offloading players like rabiot and ramsey and replacing them with this kind. Especially if there salaries are going to only a mill or so less.

I just hope the club knows who is being lined up as the next manager and what they want...I can't foresee zidane or allegri requesting a player like this.

Im not expecting big signings..I know the cash isn't there. But the club needs to find players ready for the next step...we haven't done this since in midfield since pogba...even vidal to a certain extend..a very good season in Germany and a 12m or whatever purchase...locatelli will remain a priority...if we can somehow land aouar for 30m....keep bentancur mckennie Arthur fagioli...that is more than enough serie A and the Europa league. And it gives us momentum the season after next when we are back in the CL.

 

[Boksic]

What? He didn't... Unless you mean the two free kicks in which we opened ourselves up by dropping the ball or letting Tomori unguarded.

But yeah, at least he's a different type of midfielder. We got that right.... by coincidence.

First half he played a flick on the edge of the box which opened ud and led to a shot.

 

[Adrian]

Nothing is a big feat these days when playing against us.

 

[Osman]

De paul is a level above Hakan imo. If its true he will cost only 30-35m, we should pounce on it.

 

[Fab Fragment]

De Paul and Aouar for 30-35 m each should be achievable

 

[Dostoevsky]

De Paul and Aouar for 30-35 m each should be achievable

I think it's possible to get De Paul for that price but we'd probably include 1 young player in that deal too. I highly doubt that's the case for Aouar as I expect him to go to England and price would probably be 40-50mln imo.

 

[rakib567]

this guy was playing ligue 1, why we not giving him a chance

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Yeah, 10 assists because he takes every free kick and corner kicks. Stats padding at its best.

But his threat from long range is something we're lacking.

Well he won't need to worry about that anymore

 

[Dostoevsky]

People here are usually pissed how we don't give chance to youth and, while just a part of me agrees with that, I think people are crazy to think we'll do that. Firsly, we were never really a club that shapes young players and I don't think that's going to change. That role is left for clubs like Napoli, Roma and Fiorentina. Secondly, there are some rare occasions when we do play young players but it's usually cases of extreme talents like Pogba and De Ligt. I was actually pissed Pogba wasn't playing more often when we signed him since it was obvious he's more talented than 95% of Serie A, but he did grow into a first team player quite fast as he probably needed time to adept. Thirdly, just because we're signing many young talented or "talented" kids, people should be aware that most of the time it's not for us, but some lesser squads, so we can use those kids to get players like De Paul, Locatelli or somebody else. And, finally, truth is, most of the cases we never really made a huge mistake by letting of those players go.

There were barely any players who proved to be aswesome and we made a mistake. We returned Marchisio and Giovinco but apart from them I don't think you can name plenty. You can make a case how we fucked up by letting Romero go, sure, but again, he's turned into a fine player because he played for a couple of years and that happened because clubs like Atalanta are willing to give them that chance so they shape them while we don't have that luxury since we're chasing both Scudetto and CL (sure, Atalanta is ahead of us, but let's not kid ourselves here). I honestly don't mind our policy. We're either looking at extremely talented kids to play as starters here (they cost a lot) or we're chasing a well formed player. When squad is filled we add some senior freebies as a cherry on the top. That model worked well for us since we're not Arabs to shit money out of nowhere. And it's not like we're not spending money. It's just that tons of money were spend on wrong players which only has management to blame.

 

[rakib567]

Please sign.
has 10- 15 years ahead of him so we dont need to buy a striker every 2-3 years
Tall strong, good hold up play and plays for the team, not a statue like icardi.
If we keep ronaldo he could be the benzema style player until he leaves.
If ronaldo leaves he can be the perfect number 9 to build a team around

 

[JuveJay]

this guy was playing ligue 1, why we not giving him a chance

Because Chiesa and Cuadrado are two of our top 3 best players this season.

He played 227 minutes for Marseille in 2 seasons lol. Stop this obsession with anything youth. If we played all these kids we'd be in 10th.

Ake is doing ok in Serie C but really we'll see if he can even play in Serie A for another team next season perhaps.

 

[JuveJay]

People here are usually pissed how we don't give chance to youth and, while just a part of me agrees with that, I think people are crazy to think we'll do that. Firsly, we were never really a club that shapes young players and I don't think that's going to change. That role is left for clubs like Napoli, Roma and Fiorentina. Secondly, there are some rare occasions when we do play young players but it's usually cases of extreme talents like Pogba and De Ligt. I was actually pissed Pogba wasn't playing more often when we signed him since it was obvious he's more talented than 95% of Serie A, but he did grow into a first team player quite fast as he probably needed time to adept. Thirdly, just because we're signing many young talented or "talented" kids, people should be aware that most of the time it's not for us, but some lesser squads, so we can use those kids to get players like De Paul, Locatelli or somebody else. And, finally, truth is, most of the cases we never really made a huge mistake by letting of those players go.

There were barely any players who proved to be aswesome and we made a mistake. We returned Marchisio and Giovinco but apart from them I don't think you can name plenty. You can make a case how we fucked up by letting Romero go, sure, but again, he's turned into a fine player because he played for a couple of years and that happened because clubs like Atalanta are willing to give them that chance so they shape them while we don't have that luxury since we're chasing both Scudetto and CL (sure, Atalanta is ahead of us, but let's not kid ourselves here). I honestly don't mind our policy. We're either looking at extremely talented kids to play as starters here (they cost a lot) or we're chasing a well formed player. When squad is filled we add some senior freebies as a cherry on the top. That model worked well for us since we're not Arabs to shit money out of nowhere. And it's not like we're not spending money. It's just that tons of money were spend on wrong players which only has management to blame.

Expectation and pressure to win is key here, as you point out. Besides, Napoli don't really seem to develop from within. They buy U23 foreign players and develop them. I can only think of Insigne and a few odd players like Sepe, Luperto or maybe Izzo who went to Genoa who came from their academy. And Naples is a hotbed of football, but their regional players do get poached by clubs all around the country.

Besides, 99% of the young players that pass through our system aren't good enough to play in the first team. That's a sad fact but shows the level of the system over the years that they cannot oust the 20-25 international players who make up the first team squad. These have to be really good players to break into our first team. Ok we can say for example that out of Rabiot, Bentancur, Rabiot and McKennie that a talent like Fagioli has to find space, but a coach like Pirlo under pressure will always revert back to experience. Personally I'd like to see him given one of their spots next season. It doesn't have to be that "Zidanes y Pavones" model but if they make up 10-15% of the squad that would be a real asset.

In an ideal world we'd be one of those elite clubs who could bring through a few players every 5 years perhaps, but this does feel like a discussion that has been done many times over. We seem intent on making profit on the few who might be good enough so we can fund moves for higher profile targets. This seems more of a recent development, as before we didn't even develop anyone who was worth more than a few million.

 

[Mark]

some unknown guru news from VS even if we don't trust them.

The first news I have is that Paratici is leaving 100%. We have received precise indications in this regard, confirmed by the management block with its personal technical entourage. We are therefore waiting for the new working parameters and therefore the contacts with the new staff to be indicated to us.

The second news, which, at least in our sector and in our offices appears to be certain, is that Mr. Allegri is back 100% sure. With or without Champions.
I tell you what has been explained to us. Juve is a company (capitalized), and thinks about numbers and objectives.
The eventual placement or not in the Champions League would reshape the financial parameters but not the goal, which is always to win.
Therefore, it was very clearly explained to us that in case of failure to place in the top 4 (nobody believes us, I guess you too),
Juve will reduce the financial parameters. It is therefore seen as an opportunity to reshape costs.
Opportunity because the various disproportionate engagements (Ronaldo, Ramsey, Rabiot, and perhaps even Dybala) could fail with the sale of these elements, facilitated by non-participation in the maximum competition (maximum for the moment, to the good connoisseur).

The coach I've been told asked not to revolutionize the squad, but only to prop it up. He is immediately convinced that he will be able to win again with the current squad (excluding the profiles I mentioned).
Ronaldo goes away, and the only way forward at the moment is the MU (the only serious track). The envisaged operations (the major ones) are for exchange only. Ronaldo exchanged with .... the club tries for Pogba, but Van De beek is more likely, a profile very appreciated by the coach.
The coach asked for an effort in midfield, a strong and reliable profile in front of the defense and two half wings (one substantial and one more technical).
But basically the idea is to work on a flexible squad, which allows the change of form during the game.

This is what we know with some certainty. Juve has no intention of downsizing anything.
In EL too, the goal is to win, to win immediately.
As regards only our sector, I tell you that a budget increase has already been communicated (Enri78)

 

[DanielSz]

Am I missing something about calhanoglu? His numbers look good (4 goals, 10 assists) he’s in his prime (27) and fills a position of need. It’s a legit question because I haven’t watched him closely since he played in leverkusen. back then he was an elite set specialist as well. Is he washed or something? Why is getting him on a free transfer a bad idea?

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some unknown guru news from VS even if we don't trust them.

sounds about right imo. I doubt that meet up with Allegri/Cherubini (or whatever the fuck his name is) was just a random lunch. I also doubt Agnelli just turn the whole club over to Cherubini. I think he’ll hire someone with more experience.

 

[Robee]

Am I missing something about calhanoglu? His numbers look good (4 goals, 10 assists) he’s in his prime (27) and fills a position of need. It’s a legit question because I haven’t watched him closely since he played in leverkusen. back then he was an elite set specialist as well. Is he washed or something? Why is getting him on a free transfer a bad idea?

Because he's mediocre.

4 goals minus 1 penalty goal makes nothing out of the ordinary. I'd like to know how many of his assists were deal balls but he could help in that regard.

I was thinking about his shooting threat but just came to see he has 0 goals from outside the box .

 

[LiquidPLP]

some unknown guru news from VS even if we don't trust them.

We don't trust them but it makes sense, pretty much every bit of it.

 

[Valerio.]

some unknown guru news from VS even if we don't trust them.

this is an extremly probably Juventus ownership move.
Problem is getting rid of those high wages players.
I would add Szczeny to the top priority to sell list together with Ramsey,Ronaldo and so on if we're out of CL.
We'll need a striker and finally play a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 giving Chiesa,Kulusesvky.
I can already see Allegri playing us 4-2-3-1
with 2 physical mids infront of defence and Chiesa-Van De Beek-Kulusevsky + Central Forward

 

[Gep]

I’m not gonna bitch about Calhanoglu if signed, hasn’t even kicked a ball yet. We need to be realistic here.

 

[Akshen]

Could u guys see Kulu in a Mandzu role on the left wing in 4231? IMO it could work.