[SPA] La I beat you 8-0 League2011/2012 (8 Viewers)
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1) Enrique Fernández Uruguay May 1953 December 1954 50 31 8 11 126 60 62.00
1 La Liga
2) José Villalonga Spain December 1954 April 1957 105 66 14 25 269 141 62.86
2 La Liga
2 European Cup
3) Luis Carniglia Argentina April 1957 February 1959 68 48 11 9 178 58 70.59 1 La Liga
1 European Cup
4) Miguel Muñoz Spain February 1959 April 1959 9 5 2 2 31 9 55.56
5) Luis Carniglia Argentina April 1959 July 1959 13 8 1 4 28 16 61.54
1 European Cup
6) Manuel Fleitas Paraguay July 1959 April 1960 33 23 4 6 109 42 69.70
7) Miguel Muñoz Spain April 1960 January 1974 595 352 126 117 1,194 553 59.16
9 La Liga
2 Copa del Rey
2 European Cup
1 Intercontinental Cup
1 La Liga
2) José Villalonga Spain December 1954 April 1957 105 66 14 25 269 141 62.86
2 La Liga
2 European Cup
3) Luis Carniglia Argentina April 1957 February 1959 68 48 11 9 178 58 70.59 1 La Liga
1 European Cup
4) Miguel Muñoz Spain February 1959 April 1959 9 5 2 2 31 9 55.56
5) Luis Carniglia Argentina April 1959 July 1959 13 8 1 4 28 16 61.54
1 European Cup
6) Manuel Fleitas Paraguay July 1959 April 1960 33 23 4 6 109 42 69.70
7) Miguel Muñoz Spain April 1960 January 1974 595 352 126 117 1,194 553 59.16
9 La Liga
2 Copa del Rey
2 European Cup
1 Intercontinental Cup
Allow me to decipher it for you, you simpleton 
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CL this season blows, probably the worst one so far.
As for Guardiola he will be remembered because he won many trophies. But he won those with Barcelona who had the best team out there. We'll see how he does when he leaves Spain, I think he'll win nothing on that level while we'll see a new coach at Barca play the same way they do now.
As for Guardiola he will be remembered because he won many trophies. But he won those with Barcelona who had the best team out there. We'll see how he does when he leaves Spain, I think he'll win nothing on that level while we'll see a new coach at Barca play the same way they do now.
Why didn't they win this many trophies before him?
How about the CL's they won before this year? They can't all be poor CL's, can they?
Didn't Barcelona end up in 3rd place in the Liga, and lost to United in the CL after they were completely outclassed tactically and contained, only for Pep to win every trophy in front of him the season after that immediately and to face United in the final of the CL, and he in turn outclassed Ferguson tactically and played his team off the park?
You can't explain all that because he had a good group of players. This group of players have incidentally played their best football under Pep, and unlike you, i don't think luck has anything to do with 4 consecutive seasons of consistency and trophies, anyone who denys Guardiola's work at Barcelona is obviously biased.
How about the CL's they won before this year? They can't all be poor CL's, can they?
Didn't Barcelona end up in 3rd place in the Liga, and lost to United in the CL after they were completely outclassed tactically and contained, only for Pep to win every trophy in front of him the season after that immediately and to face United in the final of the CL, and he in turn outclassed Ferguson tactically and played his team off the park?
You can't explain all that because he had a good group of players. This group of players have incidentally played their best football under Pep, and unlike you, i don't think luck has anything to do with 4 consecutive seasons of consistency and trophies, anyone who denys Guardiola's work at Barcelona is obviously biased.
The man has got to be doing something right. No matter how amazing a Ferrrari or Lambo is, it needs a driver behind the wheel; the car isn't going to drive itself.
In this case, Guardiola is the driver, steering his super powered car in the direction of titles. You could argue that without his guidance/tutelage/mentoring Messi might not have become the player he is today.
In this case, Guardiola is the driver, steering his super powered car in the direction of titles. You could argue that without his guidance/tutelage/mentoring Messi might not have become the player he is today.
Before 2006 barca were the ultimate chokers especially in Europe. In 2006 when UEFA wanted to put the spotlight on Ronaldinho for some reason, go watch the final again, even if your team lost that match, and watch how the camera focuses on Ronaldinho and the Nike logo on his chest. That publicity stunt actually was not only in the final but in all barca games. The camera would zoom in on Ronaldinho, zoom out, zoom in on the Nike logo each and every time he was taking a free kick.
Back to 2006, in that particular year when the money makers found their icon, they started helping barca, the cheating started with the Chelsea game and it got blatant in the semi final against Milan.
Ever since then, ever since the most horrible year in football, barca has become extremely favoured by the referees that it became disgusting. In 2006 barca stopped being chokers but became cheaters. Maybe it is not their fault but someone/something is making sure that they cheat their way to the titles.
Anyway, it's all a chain reaction, just like Inter post Calciopoli, you need that little push until things start going your way. One day, at least that's what I hope, barca will go back to their choking self. barca will go back to being the laughing stock of Europe, they will go back to over paying for Winston Bogarde and Overmars and end up titleless.
Back to 2006, in that particular year when the money makers found their icon, they started helping barca, the cheating started with the Chelsea game and it got blatant in the semi final against Milan.
Ever since then, ever since the most horrible year in football, barca has become extremely favoured by the referees that it became disgusting. In 2006 barca stopped being chokers but became cheaters. Maybe it is not their fault but someone/something is making sure that they cheat their way to the titles.
Anyway, it's all a chain reaction, just like Inter post Calciopoli, you need that little push until things start going your way. One day, at least that's what I hope, barca will go back to their choking self. barca will go back to being the laughing stock of Europe, they will go back to over paying for Winston Bogarde and Overmars and end up titleless.
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