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Slagathor

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Jul 25, 2001
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++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++
:confused:


You can't drink on the street here, or in a football ground. :D You can't smoke in a place of work, but you can on the street. Come to think of it, you can't really drink in a place of work either, except for pubs. ;)


Coffee doesn't release smoke all over the place, leave my clothes smelling of it the next day, or contain 600 carcinogens. :D
Let me just say this (I just thought of a good summary of my stance): In my city, there's a restaurant that has a smoking area in the back and a non-smoking area in front. This way, the non-smokers don't have to cross through the smoking area to reach 'their' area. The ventilation system in the smoking area is very strong yet not annoying. I went there recently, couldn't smell smoke in my clothes when I got back.

This restaurant is extremely popular, thus we could conclude they found the solution.

Then, how I see it, it's a perfect deal to have this made obligatory in all restaurants, pubs and clubs and similar places throughout the nation.

Simply because we live in a western democratic nation. If we, then, can create a situation where non-smokers are offered the opportunity to go out and not be bothered by smoke and smokers are offered the opportunity to go out and enjoy a smoke at the same time, why don't we do it?

Instead, the government decides to ban one party, which is utterly and COMPLETELY against everything the free democratic system stands for! Banning someone for something that isn't a crime? C'mon!
 

gray

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Apr 22, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
I don't have to step outside if I want to smoke in a hospital, cinema or college!

Your country is horrible.
How can you say anyone else's country is horrible when you can walk into the lung cancer ward smoking!?

I'd start throwing punches if people started smoking during a movie :(
 

Layce Erayce

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Aug 11, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
And they never show the lower classes on television. I see where this is going.
thats because all the lower classes are FOREIGN.

bangladeshis, pakistanis, indians, filipinos, thais, malaysians, egyptians, palestinians etc all come to the countries to do the jobs the arabs arent willing to do- something like what vicente fox wants america to emulate. these foreigners dont get any proper rights per se- many are mistreated and harassed, reports of rape surface often. and the immigrants never get the chance to become a citizen of the country.
 

Slagathor

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Jul 25, 2001
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Basically the Saudis have a system what we Europeans call "Community". Either you are born into it or you'll never be part of it. The nazis in particular were a fan of this system.

Nowadays in Europe we have (at least in theory) "Company" where you can become a member (regardless of where you're from) when you receive citizenship.

Is that right?
 

Layce Erayce

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Aug 11, 2002
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the community thing is correct. to be a citizen of kuwait you have to have lived there for a minimum of 40 years. you dont even become a citizen if you were born there. put yourself in that situation ;)

i dont think they want to officially rule it out entirely- they just make it impossibly difficult so nobody bothers with it anyways. its kinda like hardline nationalist, especially since over 70% of kuwait's population isnt kuwaiti but immigrants.


the company theory sounds good. i mean at least you are guaranteed proper rights from what i know. im not sure how well foreigners assimilate into the culture over there though. from what i know they generally tend to be around their own people- its rather serious in england i heard where many people cant even speak english. :eek:
 
Aug 1, 2003
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I think that the non smoking and smoking area is the best solution but I don't understand why you're so against Ireland's smoking policy or something? It's not like they would murder you if you smoke there, they just don't want to put other people in jeopardy (statistics show that non smokers who are around smokers have more health risk than actual smokers) whatever it is, smoking has more bad effects and it should be cut down.
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++
...statistics show that non smokers who are around smokers have more health risk than actual smokers) whatever it is, smoking has more bad effects and it should be cut down.
That's untrue. Smokers are at a huge risk, while the risk because of passive smoking is actually very small.

You have to remember that Erik comes from a very liberal society, and to him, this is an infringement on personal freedom - something that means a lot to the Dutch.
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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Actually, while I'm here, I might as well tell you all that I've been to a pub twice since the ban came into force. It's cool. You can actually see the walls!
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++
Actually, while I'm here, I might as well tell you all that I've been to a pub twice since the ban came into force. It's cool. You can actually see the walls!
Probably why they didn't want this to come into effect in the first place, now they gotta clean the walls.
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++
:LOL:

really? Here in malaysia and in their pamphlets or whatever, they always say the non smokers are at bigger risks

Damn malaysians :groan:
As far as I know, the major thing associated with passive smoking is lung cancer, and I know that that's fairly rare amoung non-smokers, even people who smoke passively a lot. The thing is, there's amost nothing apart from smoking that causes lung cancer, so you could prevent a lot of people from getting it by banning smoking. Erik will tell you that it's their right. I'll tell you it's my right not to have to pay for their medical care.

You might be confusing it with cigar smoke - that's nasty stuff, possibly as bad or worse for the passive smoker than the owner, since he doesn't inhale directly.
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
Probably why they didn't want this to come into effect in the first place, now they gotta clean the walls.
:) They'll just call it "authentic" and sell it to the tourists.

A TD (equivalent to an MP in England) has already been fired for flaunting the ban!
 

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