Should Aquilani be bought in the summer? (1 Viewer)

Buck Fuddy

Buck Fuddy

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#81
May 22, 2009
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Bjerknes said:
There isn't any basis for your opinion. Aquilani played months of good football, then cooled off and disappeared. Pepe played a couple matches of good football and disappeared.

What the fuck did Pepe do exactly? Score a neat freekick the keeper misjudged?
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Post #74 will give you the basis for my opinion. I don't know what else I can say. Again, I don't expect everyone to agree with that, since that has to do with how I personally judge players.

But hey, it's not the first time I see you labelling opinions that are different from yours' as making no sense or having no basis. Like I said earlier, from now on I'll let you form my opinions & ideas, that should save me some trouble.
 

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JuveJay

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#84
Mar 6, 2007
75,361
#84
Pepe
€2.6m + potential €7.5m
Games: 20
Minutes: 1254 (62.7 mpgame)
Goals: 3 (midfielders rank tied 5th) (0.15 gpg / 418 mpgoal)
Shots/on target/saved: 27/13/4 (11% success)
Assist success: 16/1 (6%)
Cross success: 104/25% (24%)
Passing success: 525/417 (79%)
Interception success: 28/12 (43%)
Tackling success: 24/18 (75%)
Fouled/fouls against: 28/23
Yellow cards: 8
Red cards: 0

Aquilani
€0m + potential €16m
Games: 24
Minutes: 1860 (77.5 mpgame)
Goals: 2 (midfielders rank tied 6th) (0.08 gpg / 930 mpgoal)
Shots/on target/saved: 39/9/10 (5% success)
Assist success: 30/3 (10%)
Cross success: 81/27 (33%)
Passing success: 1143/940 (82%)
Interception success: 19/12 (63%)
Tackling success: 71/52 (73%)
Fouled/fouls against: 39/28
Yellow cards: 1
Red cards: 0

Neither exactly awe-inspiring. Difficult to compare a central player to a wide one, so I compared Aquilani with a 'decent' midfielder like Nocerino, a guy who has had his fair share of stick here:

Nocerino
€7.5m
Games: 27
Minutes: 2402 (89 mpgame)
Goals: 3 (midfielders rank tied 5th) (0.11 gpg / 800 mpgoal)
Shots/on target/saved: 36/12/7 (8% success)
Assist success: 33/4 (12%)
Cross success: 30/5 (17%)
Passing success: 1226/1028 (84%)
Interception success: 21/13 (62%)
Tackling success: 39/30 (77%)
Fouled/fouls against: 20/30
Yellow cards: 0
Red cards: 0

Maybe we should see how much Palermo want for Nocerino.
 
Bjerknes

Bjerknes

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#86
Mar 16, 2004
116,873
#86
It's just funny how so much is forgotten over a season. In this discussion it's like some think Aquilani didn't show any promise whatsoever. Not that I'm a huge fan of his anyway.

Fuddy, I don't care.
 
Buck Fuddy

Buck Fuddy

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#88
May 22, 2009
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Bjerknes said:
It's just funny how so much is forgotten over a season. In this discussion it's like some think Aquilani didn't show any promise whatsoever. Not that I'm a huge fan of his anyway.

Fuddy, I don't care.
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It's also funny that you come up with various claims, but are unable to back them up.

You're able to tell me "that's not really what you said", but when I ask how or what you mean by that, then you don't care anymore. Pretty convenient.

And how anyone would conclude that, based on this discussion, people think Aqui didn't show any promise whatsoever is beyond me.
 
v1rtu4l

v1rtu4l

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#89
Mar 4, 2008
6,349
#89
Bjerknes said:
There isn't any basis for your opinion. Aquilani played months of good football, then cooled off and disappeared. Pepe played a couple matches of good football and disappeared.
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Pepe did actually not disappear ! He was just not played anymore, so this is a difference to Aquilani how got played but still did not do anything noteworthy. We could compare stats and see that even while Pepe was played out of position 90% of the time he still out-scored and out-assisted aquaman until just before the winter break.

you biased opinion against pepe might not make you see that, but pepe is always involved and last action i remember from him is breaking through the defense on the left side and playing very nice and fast cross/pass to matri how volleyed it only inches past the goal.

so in 1257 minutes Pepe scored three times and assisted once (419 minutes per goal) while Aquaman did score twice and assits three times 1860 Minutes (930 minutes per goal) (50 % more time played). my biased opinion tells me that pepe actually does more defending work than aquaman, while being just as effective in the attacking sense of game. pretty weak for a "creative"/mega-through-ball-assist-aquilani. you gotta have in mind all the time, that pepe has no good left foot, so being played out of position on the left wing renders him more or less unable to go to the byline and cross

Bjerknes said:
What the fuck did Pepe do exactly? Score a neat freekick the keeper misjudged?
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apart from the assist and the goals he did play some very nice corner kicks and freekicks ... way better than the corner kicks taken by anyone this season
 
Enron

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#90
Oct 11, 2005
75,701
#90
JuveJay said:
Pepe
€2.6m + potential €7.5m
Games: 20
Minutes: 1254 (62.7 mpgame)
Goals: 3 (midfielders rank tied 5th) (0.15 gpg / 418 mpgoal)
Shots/on target/saved: 27/13/4 (11% success)
Assist success: 16/1 (6%)
Cross success: 104/25% (24%)
Passing success: 525/417 (79%)
Interception success: 28/12 (43%)
Tackling success: 24/18 (75%)
Fouled/fouls against: 28/23
Yellow cards: 8
Red cards: 0

Aquilani
€0m + potential €16m
Games: 24
Minutes: 1860 (77.5 mpgame)
Goals: 2 (midfielders rank tied 6th) (0.08 gpg / 930 mpgoal)
Shots/on target/saved: 39/9/10 (5% success)
Assist success: 30/3 (10%)
Cross success: 81/27 (33%)
Passing success: 1143/940 (82%)
Interception success: 19/12 (63%)
Tackling success: 71/52 (73%)
Fouled/fouls against: 39/28
Yellow cards: 1
Red cards: 0

Neither exactly awe-inspiring. Difficult to compare a central player to a wide one, so I compared Aquilani with a 'decent' midfielder like Nocerino, a guy who has had his fair share of stick here:

Nocerino
€7.5m
Games: 27
Minutes: 2402 (89 mpgame)
Goals: 3 (midfielders rank tied 5th) (0.11 gpg / 800 mpgoal)
Shots/on target/saved: 36/12/7 (8% success)
Assist success: 33/4 (12%)
Cross success: 30/5 (17%)
Passing success: 1226/1028 (84%)
Interception success: 21/13 (62%)
Tackling success: 39/30 (77%)
Fouled/fouls against: 20/30
Yellow cards: 0
Red cards: 0

Maybe we should see how much Palermo want for Nocerino.
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Also may want to include % of matches won while on the pitch, minutes with the lead while on the pitch, etc. Goals and assists are good for measure influence in some players, but guys like Xabi Alonso don't really get a lot of goals or assists even though they are hugely influential players.

EDIT: Aquilani's tackling succes is much higher than I thought it would be. As is his interception rate.
 
v1rtu4l

v1rtu4l

Senior Member
#91
Mar 4, 2008
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#91
comparing aquilani with nocerino who is (imho) a below par midfielder with very limited technical qualities says it all, doesn't it ?

i could also make amauri look good, when i compared him to striker who only has one leg to make him look good :p
 
Red

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#92
Nov 26, 2006
47,023
#92
Buck Fuddy said:
If you must know, I keep a record of all our games (except those I'm unable to see, obviously) with the individual performances by our players (personal judgement!).
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I do the same thing with Aberdeen.

You should post it, or at least a summary, at the end of the season.
 
Red

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#93
Nov 26, 2006
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JuveJay said:
Pepe
€2.6m + potential €7.5m
Games: 20
Minutes: 1254 (62.7 mpgame)
Goals: 3 (midfielders rank tied 5th) (0.15 gpg / 418 mpgoal)
Shots/on target/saved: 27/13/4 (11% success)
Assist success: 16/1 (6%)
Cross success: 104/25% (24%)
Passing success: 525/417 (79%)
Interception success: 28/12 (43%)
Tackling success: 24/18 (75%)
Fouled/fouls against: 28/23
Yellow cards: 8
Red cards: 0

Aquilani
€0m + potential €16m
Games: 24
Minutes: 1860 (77.5 mpgame)
Goals: 2 (midfielders rank tied 6th) (0.08 gpg / 930 mpgoal)
Shots/on target/saved: 39/9/10 (5% success)
Assist success: 30/3 (10%)
Cross success: 81/27 (33%)
Passing success: 1143/940 (82%)
Interception success: 19/12 (63%)
Tackling success: 71/52 (73%)
Fouled/fouls against: 39/28
Yellow cards: 1
Red cards: 0

Neither exactly awe-inspiring. Difficult to compare a central player to a wide one, so I compared Aquilani with a 'decent' midfielder like Nocerino, a guy who has had his fair share of stick here:

Nocerino
€7.5m
Games: 27
Minutes: 2402 (89 mpgame)
Goals: 3 (midfielders rank tied 5th) (0.11 gpg / 800 mpgoal)
Shots/on target/saved: 36/12/7 (8% success)
Assist success: 33/4 (12%)
Cross success: 30/5 (17%)
Passing success: 1226/1028 (84%)
Interception success: 21/13 (62%)
Tackling success: 39/30 (77%)
Fouled/fouls against: 20/30
Yellow cards: 0
Red cards: 0

Maybe we should see how much Palermo want for Nocerino.
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Buck Fuddy

Buck Fuddy

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#96
May 22, 2009
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#96
Red said:
I do the same thing with Aberdeen.

You should post it, or at least a summary, at the end of the season.
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Maybe I could. It might trigger a somewhat interesting discussion.

Then again, chances are that it will end up in my (or other people's) judgements being called ridiculous, wrong or making no sense whatsoever. And that's probably not a good thing.
 
chester

chester

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#97
May 20, 2006
15,054
#97
Buck Fuddy said:
Then again, chances are that it will end up in my (or other people's) judgements being called ridiculous, wrong or making no sense whatsoever. And that's probably not a good thing.
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And you think we don't already say that via PM and +/-reps to eachother about your posts :D
 
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