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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Truth is, there really isn't a city that could stand up to a true Category 5. That said, Katrina was a weak Cat 5 as it lost a lot of power before landfall. It really wasn't the Hurricane the did in New Orleans, it was the failure to prepare for the amount of water they dealt with. A system of dykes or damns or even a few rebuilt wetlands partnered with a working levy would have ensured significantly less damage. Or so I've read.
Indeed, the storm surge was really what destroyed the city. I think the actual landfall was a strong Category 4, and actually New Orleans was sparred GREATLY as the strongest sector of the storm (the NorthEAST eyewall quadrant) passed to East of the city. If they were hit by the Northeast quadrant, the damage would have been even worse as that sector had gusts at least 25 mph more than the other side.

Another reason why New Orleans could have had it worse is if the storm had stalled due to high pressure to the North of the Gulf states, but thankfully, as I recall, it weakened and scooted away at the usual pace.

What the fuck are you talking about? There are simply no houses made out of wood over here. It's something people just don't do.
Again, let the engineers handle the engineering talk. What do they make the support out of in Antwerp? Adobe?

We'd do a hell of a lot better than New Orleans.
Perhaps Antwerp would, but you're forgetting that the Bush administration and Bush-appointed Federal Emergency Management Agency were quite possibly the worst administration we've ever had here.

And while you'd do better than the destitute city of New Orleans, you'd still get your asses raped. Believe me. It would be an event you've never even come close to experiencing. So don't count your chickens.

The US is the most uncivilised nation on the face of the earth. The Holocaust and Mao's regime are quite probably the only things that overrule the atrocities committed by the grand old US of A when it comes to the last 60 years of history. Oh and he's "European"? Name a country FFS. Don't be such a moron and show some culture.
I don't remember his nationality, but he was indeed European. You all like to criticize the US for this, that and the other thing.

The article wasn't about our foreign policy. It was about the culture, the laws, and the civility found here in the US. Now tell me - no actually don't tell me because you've never been here - we don't have people blowing themselves up everyday on our streets, we don't have a nation of entirely poor people, we don't have a nation where your second kid is stripped from your arms, and the list can go on and on.

You have personally seen me criticize this nation, so don't give me this crap. But one thing I'm thoroughly tired of is your persistent verbal diarrhea when it comes to you trying to insinuate there is no hope for education in this nation. Considering about 70% of the World's top universities are American universities, it pretty much proves you wrong.

But any sensible person wouldn't have such radical views as you do.

But hey, you're an American. I don't blame you. Like I said at the beginning, it's very hard for an American to get a clear picture. Most of you are quite simply conditioned to think in certain patterns.
:melayyanandmessi: :lol2:

True in some cases, particularly the morons here and the hicks, but not every single person here, "braniac."
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Plasma.

No, not blood plasma -- closer to the stuff they make flat screen TVs out of. Superheated ionized gas. It's really quite something, and the energy can form any piece of furniture you need at a moment's notice.

It's really quite fantastic. But since they're in America, they are all bound to create a magnetic field so strong it will shoot out the earth's iron core through Enron's house any day now -- causing the Earth to death spiral into the sun.

If only we had given better service in our mental hospitals...
:lol2:
 

Vinman

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Jul 16, 2002
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Seven said:
What the fuck are you talking about? There are simply no houses made out of wood over here. It's something people just don't do.
none in Canada either.....

during the War of 1812, after seeing the British burn the entire city of Buffalo, the Canadians decided that every structure would be made from brick, so that their cities would never burn to the ground

I am still waiting for the British to come back and burn Buffalo to the ground again, so that we can start over for a third time :p
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Here in earthquake country, brick homes are generally considered a death trap. There's no flex in the joints.
 

Boudz

Mercato Tourist
Aug 1, 2002
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I saw this the other day on TV, gave me the creeps.
Do you think this would have happened if the woman was white?
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,317
lol, houses aren't made out of brick just because that's what's on the outside. that's like saying they are made out of aluminum siding.

The interior framing and support structure is all wooden, broseppi.
Dude, seriously. It's not. I have never seen a wooden support structure in Belgium. We might have some wooden cottages in forests, but a wooden support structure? That's just insane.
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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its standard construction and architecture, that certainly does not differ from the U.S. to Europe. only climate, terrain and other external factors affect build values
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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i mean how on God's earth can you argue with statemets such:

"Countries such as Belgium, The Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Luxemburg, Germany and France have very high employment rates."

or

"america is probably the most fucked up country in the world"
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,317
i like Seven, he got you guys to 10 pages of arguing over things he has no knowledge of.
Finally, someone who gets it ;). But hey, if people realised I'm just messing every once in a while it would be less fun.

My true viewpoints are a lot less radical, even if I agree with the core of the argument here. The core would be:

1) Health care in Belgium is better than it is in the US. Sure, you can argue about it. You can say whatever you want, but in the end we all know that's how it is.

2) I disagree when people say America offers a lot of possibilities. In America life can be like a lottery ticket. If you get really, really lucky, there are a million of possibilities to choose from. However, I believe there are more possibilities for more middle class and poorer people in Belgium. It might not be as easy to become a big CEO in Belgium, but almost everyone gets a decent pay and no one has to do three jobs at once. As for the social mobility.. well, I don't think social positions are as well defined in Belgium as they are in the US.

3) Structures such as the ones found in New Orleans prior to the disaster would not be as feeble in Belgium or the Netherlands if they were necessary. We're not arguing about some storm here, Andy. We're arguing about government action. Compared to Belgium America sets piss poor standards. And don't give me the America is so much bigger crap. America has also got a lot more funds and a lot more people to do something about it. The "America is bigger" argument is complete nonsense.

i mean how on God's earth can you argue with statemets such:

"Countries such as Belgium, The Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Luxemburg, Germany and France have very high employment rates."

or

"america is probably the most fucked up country in the world"
The first statement is obviously true. Swag wants to talk about job opportunities and the only more or less objective way to measure that is have a look at the employment rates. If they're high a lot of people want the jobs that are on the market. And they are high in said countries. I mean, if that's what we're talking about, we just have to accept facts.

With the second statement I was obviously trying to piss Andy off.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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a lot more reasonable, but still missing perspective. Here how i illustrate it, it's like taking kuwait and comparing it to say bulgaria or estonia as a basis of how said country compares to the EU.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Andries, you're speaking out of both corners of your mouth.

"I'm serious."

"No, I was just yanking their chain."

"But really..."

There are a select few who can pull off that balancing act. (e.g., Jon Stewart with his, "It's fake news!"/"No, these are real politicians.") But on you, you just contradict yourself and look like you want it both ways while knowing full well you can't have even one of either.
 

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