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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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@Andries: You obviously know I was joking about all that Belgium crap. I have nothing against Belgium and Belgians, and I will not judge any facets of the country's infrastructure because I've never visited the civilized place. However, I would certainly not want to see the nation break apart as that just causes unnecessary problems. Hopefully there is a pleasant solution to the situation even though it does seem unlikely from what I gathered.

All I ask of you, sir, is to visit the United States, particularly our universities. If you have the same opinion of the place as you did before, then you're certainly entitled to that opinion. People from all across the world are welcome here even though our imbecilic government tries to hinder that stance on the issue.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,907
@Vinni: I agree, such a source may not be reliable. Although I wouldn't say the story is bullshit no matter what though. You and I know such stuff happens, unfortunately.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,307
@Andries: You obviously know I was joking about all that Belgium crap. I have nothing against Belgium and Belgians, and I will not judge any facets of the country's infrastructure because I've never visited the civilized place. However, I would certainly not want to see the nation break apart as that just causes unnecessary problems. Hopefully there is a pleasant solution to the situation even though it does seem unlikely from what I gathered.

All I ask of you, sir, is to visit the United States, particularly our universities. If you have the same opinion of the place as you did before, then you're certainly entitled to that opinion. People from all across the world are welcome here even though our imbecilic government tries to hinder that stance on the issue.
A pleasant solution is indeed unlikely. Even if the country wouldn't break apart any outcome will severely change the Belgium I know today. I'm sure I told you before that Belgians in general aren't too proud of their country. I for example tend to be more proud about my hometown. But that doesn't mean I would want to be anything else than Belgian.

I have always said I want to visit the United States. But for the record I have never said one bad word about American universities. They're top notch and I'm pretty sure anyone studying at an American university is just as smart and educated as his counterpart in Europe. The problem I have with the American education system is simply that those universities aren't easily accessible.

A lot of what I think about America is what Americans in Europe tell me, you know. Not the fatties in Florence though, I couldn't care less about them. But anyway, perhaps those Americans in Europe are a bit stuck up because they happen to study in Europe and tend to provide me with a too negative image of the US.

In the end I think Zygmunt Bauman is right when he says Europeans and Americans live in two different worlds.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,749
Katrina was classic America at its worst. It's a tendency to focus on the areas you can't afford to ignore while ignoring the rest. That happens a lot. Louisiana and Mississippi, for example, are hardly just neglected in terms of natural disasters and prevention.

Check out how they rank in a lot of things, according to the U.S. Census:

#1 & #2 in unemployment rate:
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ranks/rank25.htm

#1 & #2 in percent of people below the poverty level:
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ranks/rank34.htm

#47 & #50 in median household income:
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ranks/rank33.htm

#1 & #3 in infant mortality rates:
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ranks/rank17.htm

#44 & #47 in percentage with a college degree:
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ranks/rank19.htm

#1 and #9 in traffic fatality rates:
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ranks/rank39.htm

and, by another survey, #44 and #48 in terms of education:
http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm

Both states were disasters long before Katrina came around. I would even argue that the chronic problems above are more nefarious and deadly than anything Katrina inflicted.

But comparing this to, say, the flood prevention projects of a country like the Netherlands isn't even apples and oranges. Whereas the likes of Louisiana and Mississippi can be conveniently ignored on a federal level, if the Netherlands ignored their flood-prone lands they wouldn't have a country to begin with. Almost the entire population is at risk -- rich and poor alike.
Exhuming an old topic, some data about American obesity rates by states just came out:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/20/health/webmd/main4366183.shtml

#1: Mississippi
#4: Louisiana

But damn... Hawaii coming in at #50? I mean, those are some big, Samoan-like dudes who eat poi and pork all day long. To think every state in this country, save for Colorado, has a higher proportion of obese people is scary.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,749
whats up with DC and child obesity
That it's so ridiculously high (#1) while the overall rate is comparatively so low (#43)? I was surprised it was that huge of a gap too.

Starving parents are shoveling the fast food into their kids as fast as they can make it.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,307
That it's so ridiculously high (#1) while the overall rate is comparatively so low (#43)? I was surprised it was that huge of a gap too.

Starving parents are shoveling the fast food into their kids as fast as they can make it.
I just noticed that cinemas in Belgium are rapidly americanising. The other day I bought some popcorn (not for me though as I quite like it, but have enough of it pretty soon) and I took the smallest possible portion. But apparently a much bigger portion was cheaper. This may seem harmless, but it truly is the devil's work. Considering the example set in some parts of America, you'd think that people would at least hesitate to introduce such principles in Belgium, but no.
 

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