[Serie A] Parma 1-1 JUVENTUS (January 13, 2013) (16 Viewers)

Man of the Match

  • Pirlo

  • Bonucci

  • Barzagli

  • Vidal

  • Giovinco


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Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Draw was probably a fair result.

First half was poor.

Juve never threatened to move the ball fast enough or well enough to really open Parma up.

The defence was also very poor in the first half.

What's the point of playing three CBs if you aren't going to use the security that gives to go and get tight to forwards early? Was crazy the way that Juve were allowing Belfodil to drop short or drift wide to collect the ball and start running. With the extra CB you should be marking against two forwards and not giving them the freedom to run at the defence - especially when it is Pirlo and not a DM you have in front of the defence.

Juve were then looking pretty comfortable in the second half, having got the goal, until the ball was stupidly lost in midfield to gift an equaliser.

Thought Bonucci and Caceres might have done better, but it was tough to recover after the ball was lost like that. Juve look for the defence to spread wide to assist in ball retention, so there is always going to be the odd moment when you are going to be fucked if the ball is given away. Still, being ahead, I'd have looked for the defence to be more compact. Bonucci may have had a better chance of stopping the goal than Caceres. Neither were going to catch the player, but Bonucci might have been able to narrow the target that was there for the ball to be threaded through if he'd read the situation really well and quickly.

I assumed the loss of the ball was just down to some good old self-indulgence from Vucinic, but I see that Conte is claiming it was his fault as he called for Vucinic to try the dummy.

Either way, it was a stupid thing to do and, whoever was at fault, it shows a lack of game intelligence to take an unnecessary risk like that when ahead.

Vidal had a good game.

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In games like that - where both teams are playing the same system - you really see the lack of the something extra in the Juve team to open things up.

They don't have anyone capable of beating his man one-on-one on anything resembling a consistent basis.

They don't - unless Vucinic is playing and playing well - have anyone capable of attracting a couple of opposition players in order to open up space somewhere else on the pitch.

Add in Juve's consistently poor finishing and you have a recipe for making hard work of a lot of games that ought to be relatively straightforward wins.
i'd say missing vucinic and marchisio, coupled with the black whole we have on the left side, its crippeling us
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Draw was probably a fair result.

First half was poor.

Juve never threatened to move the ball fast enough or well enough to really open Parma up.

The defence was also very poor in the first half.

What's the point of playing three CBs if you aren't going to use the security that gives to go and get tight to forwards early? Was crazy the way that Juve were allowing Belfodil to drop short or drift wide to collect the ball and start running. With the extra CB you should be marking against two forwards and not giving them the freedom to run at the defence - especially when it is Pirlo and not a DM you have in front of the defence.

Juve were then looking pretty comfortable in the second half, having got the goal, until the ball was stupidly lost in midfield to gift an equaliser.

Thought Bonucci and Caceres might have done better, but it was tough to recover after the ball was lost like that. Juve look for the defence to spread wide to assist in ball retention, so there is always going to be the odd moment when you are going to be fucked if the ball is given away. Still, being ahead, I'd have looked for the defence to be more compact. Bonucci may have had a better chance of stopping the goal than Caceres. Neither were going to catch the player, but Bonucci might have been able to narrow the target that was there for the ball to be threaded through if he'd read the situation really well and quickly.

I assumed the loss of the ball was just down to some good old self-indulgence from Vucinic, but I see that Conte is claiming it was his fault as he called for Vucinic to try the dummy.

Either way, it was a stupid thing to do and, whoever was at fault, it shows a lack of game intelligence to take an unnecessary risk like that when ahead.

Vidal had a good game.

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In games like that - where both teams are playing the same system - you really see the lack of the something extra in the Juve team to open things up.

They don't have anyone capable of beating his man one-on-one on anything resembling a consistent basis.

They don't - unless Vucinic is playing and playing well - have anyone capable of attracting a couple of opposition players in order to open up space somewhere else on the pitch.

Add in Juve's consistently poor finishing and you have a recipe for making hard work of a lot of games that ought to be relatively straightforward wins.
After a match that's at 6am my time, before I've had the chance to dig into the reports behind the scoreline of a Juve match I slept through, I always first turn to Red's reports. :heart:

Thanks, Red.
 

AngelaL

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Aug 25, 2006
10,215
Hmmm! It seems that we did not learn the lessons of the defeat, we incurred at the Juve vs Samp game!

Yes, I know it is not easy to beat Parma at their ground and they are not a bad team, but again, we sat back after scoring a solitary goal. If we had kept working hard until we had scored three or four, I would not mind them taking a breather, but not a one or two goal lead.
 

Nardonejuve

Senior Member
Mar 21, 2010
2,197
Don't take his words seriously, he's defending the team.
:agree: he's just trying to cool the sure onslaught of media biatches that are going to stir up some sort of crisis scenario.

We are obviously not playing with hunger or maybe they are but they are no where near they're usual fitness level. They look tired and not focused when it comes to positioning on the counter. It's been 3 games now where even a child can see the 3 man defence is not working at all with out chiellini and asa. It's no coincidence all 3 goals against us in the last 2 league games came down the middle left side of the field. It's time to go to a 4 man defence IMO atleast until asa and chiellini come back.

Another thing I noticed is the absolute lack of chances we are creating and I am comparing this to the amount we usually have. This is where Conte, Pirlo, Buffon are needed to step shit up and get the team focused again. We all know January is a terrible month of Juve so kes leave it at that but unfortunately I think our luck is running out, we can't rely on our mids all the time so ill be a broken record and we need a damn forward now and not immobile or gab.

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We cannot keep dropping points like this, we needed our cushion for when the CL games came.
Lets just hope I the usual January rut. But things do need to change. Either they need a decent low intensity week because they do look tired but if its because of pure lack of intensity from they players then a straight kick in the ass is needed ASAP. February is a massive month and we need to be in form.
 

LiquidPLP

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2012
12,237
It awful performance from us. We didn't create a single 100% chance to score a goal for the whole match. 3-5-2 doesn't work for us if Chiellini is missing. Without him and Asamoah our left side is weak, so much money spent for depth.

It's time to dispose 3-5-2 because with this formation we lack three main things we had last season:
- High pressing on opponent,
- High pass accuracy,
- High number of chances per match.

3-5-2 is not good for pressing. We often score a goal a then sit back at our half like we played Barca or Real. We don't make our opponents make mistakes in defense. To kill an opponent you need to push harder. Instead we back off and let them play.

Also our game is very narrow because of lack of wingers. Especially with right-footed player on the left side. In 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 you have two players on each wing who are back ups for each other in defense as well as in attack. Pirlo has nobody to play forward to because we play with only 2 forwards who often are cut off and one of them is Giovinco who has no chance winning a high ball sent from Pirlo. This also makes our game slow, predictable and ineffective. Our attacks are unprepared, we lose ball too fast which ends up like today and a week ago vs Samp.

Another problem I can see is lack of players that suit 3-5-2. Our starting lineup is very good but when we miss some player we can't replace him with nobody. Also some of our players are not used properly. We're not Barca to make CF become a winger, CM become a forward and so on. This one goes especially to Vucinic, Giovinco, Licht, De Ceglie and so on.

I propose to use 4-3-3:

Buffon/Storari
Licht/Caceres - Barzagli/Bonucci - Chiellini/Bonucci - Chiellini/DC
Vidal/Padoin - Pirlo/Pogba - Marchisio/Asamoah
Isla/Giacch - Quag/Matri - Vucinic/Giovinco​

Also when Pepe comes back he competes for RWF spot.

Imo this roster is very balanced and strong. We don't lack CBs as we have three very good CBs for two spots. Right wing is very strong, Licht is a natural RB, Caceres is a very good backup too. Left wing is not that good but PDC is better as LB than LWB and that's a fact. CM is also very strong as we have Asamoah here to rotate with Vidal and Marchisio. In attack Left wing is very good, right wing are runners who can deliver a good assist at times but they need to be more defensive and put pressing a lot.
Besides the CF position we're good enough to win the league. CL is another matter, it's always hard to predict even if we're going to play against Celtic who on paper aren't that strong.
 

Klin

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May 27, 2009
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@Buck Fuddy @Fake Melo

Even if there's no MoM poll, you should list Vidal in your thread for this one. :stuckup:
 

Goodfella

Senior Member
Nov 11, 2012
4,518
Why is everyone crying about the strikers?

What striker would have made a difference in the last two league matches?

If the entire team behind the two isolated strikers can't string together 2 passes or launch atleast a bearable counterattack then it's just natural that the strikers can't do jack.
 

mukumsplau

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Jul 9, 2008
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nejˈmaɾ ˈjɾ;4001145 said:
That daffodil mushty played quite well against us. Kind of reminded me of Dzeko.
ive been admiring him since last season..very impressive player..wouldnt b surprised when a bigger club snaps him up..he's a perormer
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Why is everyone crying about the strikers?

What striker would have made a difference in the last two league matches?

If the entire team behind the two isolated strikers can't string together 2 passes or launch atleast a bearable counterattack then it's just natural that the strikers can't do jack.
A striker that would have made that 1v1 chance today would have made a difference.

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@Klinsmann

I really like your avatar today. :cry:
@Foeller

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