Serie A: Juventus vs Cagliari [Feb 3rd, 2008] (16 Viewers)

Mike-e-y

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2004
11,188
IF what we saw today is fantastic football :inter: then ranieri is officially loco.....
that was their managers quote.

What we witnessed today was one of the worst performances of the season, and yet ranieri comes out and says he is satisfied, if the manager lacks ambition then this is surely rubbing off on the team. If he is satisfied, why should they try any harder????
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,755
True...

I am still pissed and I still cannot belive how we lost another 2 points today agast...Cagliari...Oh God... :wallbang:
Let's just say for the record that I am far more disgusted with that than any loss to Inter in the Coppa Italia.
 
Jul 26, 2007
86
Wow, RANIERI THE MAD... i cant believe the fact he was happy after the game :crazy: i mean, i can see juve finishing the season in 10 place and ranieri saying : Well, juve made a good season and im happy because we finished in the midde of the table, maybe for the next season we will play UEFA CUP... Please LIPPI, COME BACK TO HOME , PLAY SOME FOOTBALL AND BUY SOME GOOD PLAYERS

Juve must have a winner mentality, ranieri speak that he likes the mentality of the team, but my question is, WHY cant he have the same mentality? WHY hes happy winning 1 point, drawing in home against cagliari, impressive, maybe Ranieri isnt that bad but hes just not for juve,
 

denco

Superior Being
Jul 12, 2002
4,679
Andy Vinman and Lion, I dont have to see the game to be frustrated that a team that is 3rd in the league cannot beat the bottom placed team.

Do i continue to blame, Capello, Deshamps and Ranieri for every performance from a bunch of players that earn more in a week than most people do in a life time?

They ought to shoulder some responsibilty once on a while. Ranieri is not the greatest of managers and he can be blamed in part for the ills at Valencia as they have not recovered from the Fiore, Corradi and marco Di Vaio episode.

I have never rated him since he left Valencia to go to Chelsea and he takes the blame for some performances but i am sorry if the likes of palladino can get into the Italian squad then surely playing as a right midfielder against Cagliari should not pose that much of a problem.

The amount of players that play out of position is a lot and I am sorry I dont buy into that excuse, Rooney does it, Gerrard does it, Ronaldo now plays everywhere for man united, Seedorf is played out of position as is Totti and countless others.

Palladino is 21 or thereabouts so its not an excuse whatsoever, these guys should be doing better and surely against cagliari we have every right to feel they should.

I just wrote an article about whether are any great tacticians about, quite frankly I dont think there are. Ranieri is just a part of a bad bunch of managers but I dont think he should be getting less marks than the players that played.

I am dubious though seeing Nedved getting as high a mark as 8.5 in a game that Juventus drew at home to Cagliari and its not like reading reports that he was amazing
 

Triptonite

Junior Member
Jun 12, 2007
168
Plus they should have heard that Roma was trailing 0-2 at half-time. I think that would be a motive to close on that 2nd spot.

I did not see the game, but read the ratings on Goal.com

Nocerino was 5.0 and playing bad, and Tiago had 6.0 . And you pul out Tiago and put another midfielder (Sisoko) without passing capabilities... Maybe coach thought Nocerino would start playing, but it did not happened.

I think that our youngsters have to do much better. They have to step out of the shade of the seniors. I think they count on our champion to pull out the game.

After a teenager gave as a brace plus others made assists I really think that our youngster have to do more !! These games with low-rated (on the table) teams are perfect for them, but... it does not happened yet. Cagliari, Siena, Empoli are not a motive for DP, Nedved, Camo ... Someone (maybe it is coach job, is it?) has to take out of them...

great that Neved is back scoring :scarf:
here is his rating
"Nedved 8.5: Absolutely brilliant. Best player on the pitch by a country mile. Some delightful skill and touches in the first half, scored with a trademark drive in the second, and tried everything to drag his team to victory. "

we should make a clone of him :)
:scarf: :scarf: :scarf:

P.S. Obviously motive is not a problem for Nedved though :)
 
Jul 26, 2007
86
mm nedved play well but i think that goal.com exagerate a little, he made some good passes and made some nice runs, and of course a nice goal, but i think that the best rating for him will be like 7,5. Anyway, Forza pavel !
 
Sep 14, 2003
5,800
There isn't anything I can write to make any of us feel any better about this dismal result, except that even when we were the best team in the world during the mid nineties, we suffered some bad results and performances.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,519
Andy Vinman and Lion, I dont have to see the game to be frustrated that a team that is 3rd in the league cannot beat the bottom placed team.

Do i continue to blame, Capello, Deshamps and Ranieri for every performance from a bunch of players that earn more in a week than most people do in a life time?

They ought to shoulder some responsibilty once on a while. Ranieri is not the greatest of managers and he can be blamed in part for the ills at Valencia as they have not recovered from the Fiore, Corradi and marco Di Vaio episode.

I have never rated him since he left Valencia to go to Chelsea and he takes the blame for some performances but i am sorry if the likes of palladino can get into the Italian squad then surely playing as a right midfielder against Cagliari should not pose that much of a problem.

The amount of players that play out of position is a lot and I am sorry I dont buy into that excuse, Rooney does it, Gerrard does it, Ronaldo now plays everywhere for man united, Seedorf is played out of position as is Totti and countless others.

Palladino is 21 or thereabouts so its not an excuse whatsoever, these guys should be doing better and surely against cagliari we have every right to feel they should.

I just wrote an article about whether are any great tacticians about, quite frankly I dont think there are. Ranieri is just a part of a bad bunch of managers but I dont think he should be getting less marks than the players that played.

I am dubious though seeing Nedved getting as high a mark as 8.5 in a game that Juventus drew at home to Cagliari and its not like reading reports that he was amazing
CR has a few excuses, the ones you used and a few more, like key players being injured, suspended etc
There is a point on what Denco says, that the difference between us and Cagliary is so great, that our players should have won, even without a coach on the bench.
I agree that the coaches influence on everything is kind of over rated in here,
either it be tactics or transfer policy, but this time, more than other time CR is to blame. I dont know if you missed my post Denco:

The reasons because i believe this game was lost because of CR:

-We were dominating the midfield, we had possession but we couldnt translate that superiority to goals because we lack an attacking plan. Our attacking plans is only some random counter attacks, some desperate crosses and some rare set pieces.
Thats about it, we cant produce an organized attacking chance as a team. Neddy's moment of brilliance was a long shoot that happened to bounce right in front of the keeper, CR cannot be credited for that.
-CR hadnt the best players available for this game and he should have though about all circumstances. Fielding Palla from the start as a winger would mean that wouldnt be able to use the trident, if needed, since Iaquinta was suspended.
There was a time for the trident here, against the inferior opposition, in a moment where we have to take the lead.
-Another incredible mistake, happened and reminded me DP's and Neddy's substitutions. At times a single substitution can do the difference and save the day,
CR has done a few good ones and i will now start to believe they were just random, since he has done a lot more idiotic ones, like today, subbing out Tiago and keeping in Nocerino was a tragic tactical mistake.
The only logic i see for this sub is the hidden strategic move and investment on Nocerino's moral and place in the team. But anyways, tactically, this sub was quite stupid. I cant believe that a serie A coach can be that bad...
Tiago was better and more efficient today than Nocerino,
our team needed a small pull ahead, since we hadnt any more options than Sissoko and CR was too scared to use the trident, the wisest choice would be subbing out our weakest link to bring in a more dynamic player.
Subbing out Tiago and let in Noce to ruin our game killed all of our hopes.
-The back up plan, every coach should have a back up plan, in case things dont go on his way, CR hadnt, he changed nothing, he just waited for all our hopes to die slowly and painfully...
-The mid-season crisis, it is not a secret anymore, the X-mas break is a curse for Juve's performance, it happened with Capello, DD carried the legacy further and CR isnt an exception. He had to do smth for that, i mean we could see that happen, its not like the first time we waste points in a row,
small changes or radical are needed, someone must wake up our team again and this man has to be our coach.
(i wonder who will wake up CR first)


CR acts like he is trying to put a handicap to our team sometimes and this was the case today. Denco has a point here, that our team should have won than game, even with that handicap and i ll remind you here that when we were cornered,
we managed to equalize within a minutes time!! That means we had the capacity to score at will, but we didnt...for that, the team is to blame as a whole, but that is not an excuse to forget CR's mistakes Denco, the man is a permanent threat to our efforts/plans.
 

AvoAchdjian

Junior Member
Jun 23, 2007
59
guys stop blaming Ranieri he cant do better than this.. He is a good coach for this year.Instead of getting an expensive coach and getting the same results because of the players and the injuries. Its impossible to win the title even with mourinho, lippi..
 

ZAF3000

Senior Member
Feb 14, 2005
5,348
I don't feel like discusing the game.. Its just too ... how do I put it... tiring??

We have a right and left back who don't know how to cross, a CB who is not supposed to be a CB a midfield that think that a seccessful pass is when the ball goes to the opponant and we want our strikers to perform miricles.

We have the best line of forwards in the world of you ask me. For these players to be able to score as much as they are doing this season with almost no support for a craetive midfield then they must be extraordinary.
I can't put alot of blame on the coach because he doesn't have the luxary of choice that coaches of the likes of Ancelotti and Mancini have. Sometimes, the only positive comment one could say is "good effort"..
For an example Molinaro. He runs alot. He is a left back he should do so, but in the same time 101 leftback tells us he should be the best person on the field when it comes to crossing. He could literally be the worst. The only 2-3 crosses that were decent this game came from Camoranesi. And for the past 4 months or so I cannot remember us sucessfully crossing the ball using one of our sidebacks.
 

Luca

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2007
12,750
guys stop blaming Ranieri he cant do better than this.. He is a good coach for this year.Instead of getting an expensive coach and getting the same results because of the players and the injuries. Its impossible to win the title even with mourinho, lippi..
mate no it wouldn't be impossible,
lippi or mourinho would have brought w.c players, dropped molinaro + sali by now and given the team a bollocking for drawing against bottom of the table and instilled a winning, creative motive in our team.
at the moment we have about as much creativity as a piece of shit hanging off a stick.
 

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