Serie A: Juventus vs Atalanta [DEC 9th 2007] (10 Viewers)

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
Lawnchair is broken Bes-Man said:
actually it wasnt so bad. however, since vinnie doesnt seem to be anywhere, let me try and recreate his match analysis


"we always complain that trezeguet doesnt get enough chance. he got them today and we saw how he missed them. Ranieri sucks"
I saw that earlier...nice try !!:D

No one can replicate the Vinman :vinny:
 

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Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
We already have string of injuries and I'm glad you're not Juventus general manager , you'd fire them all in a week.
you must have missed the Coppa debacle on thursday, because playing many of these guys at the same time was disasterous

rest assured, if I was the manager, I'd bring in better players
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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whether you liked it or not, molinaro had a great game, even greater if you factor in expectations. However, at 24, this guy most likely will not get any better and quite frankly 1 good game in 10-15 games aint gonna cut it
I, and i believe all the others, don't expect him to become a world class, but i do expect him to become better.
There are so many examples when players flourished when they made a transfer to a bigger club.
I'll mention Di Livio again. The guy played in serie B until he was 27. We bought him from a serie B squad as a 27 years old player.
Another full back, Cafu, made his transfer to a European club and became the best right back in the world at 27.
Oddo played in serie C when he was Molinaro's age.
Full backs seem to develop slower than the others.
Lots of others became much better after they were 25. Nedved played in Czech Republic's league when he was Molinaro's age.

I want to say that a transfer to a bigger club, where the best coaches work with you will probably make a much better player out of you. I hope and i think this will happen to Molinaro. He'll be better than he is at the moment, much better. Probably never a world class but solid enough to play for Juve.
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
Del piero had a very good match, I don't care what you all rate, and I am not sure Nedved deserves the man of the match title (sure he saved the day, but one shot shouldn't kill all others' hard work).. Del Piero was my man of the match, he came in as a sub, and proved me once again that he performs it much better coming from the bench, this is better for him and the team, without him, I don't know if the match could turn this offensive for us.. as for Iaquinta, it's just not his day, and Forza Ranieri for insisting playing with Noce and Zanetti, their hard work were very obvious..
 

ZhiXin

Senior Member
Oct 1, 2004
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I, and i believe all the others, don't expect him to become a world class, but i do expect him to become better.
There are so many examples when players flourished when they made a transfer to a bigger club.
I'll mention Di Livio again. The guy played in serie B until he was 27. We bought him from a serie B squad as a 27 years old player.
Another full back, Cafu, made his transfer to a European club and became the best right back in the world at 27.
Oddo played in serie C when he was Molinaro's age.
Full backs seem to develop slower than the others.
Lots of others became much better after they were 25. Nedved played in Czech Republic's league when he was Molinaro's age.

I want to say that a transfer to a bigger club, where the best coaches work with you will probably make a much better player out of you. I hope and i think this will happen to Molinaro. He'll be better than he is at the moment, much better. Probably never a world class but solid enough to play for Juve.
To be honest Balzaretti is overrated in this forum and I don't really miss him but for Molinaro, there is more than meets the eye, I will provide my opinion on him after this season. After all it is never easy to play for a big club. I'm sure he will just get better. The same goes for Nocerino.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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Del piero had a very good match, I don't care what you all rate, and I am not sure Nedved deserves the man of the match title (sure he saved the day, but one shot shouldn't kill all others' hard work).. Del Piero was my man of the match, he came in as a sub, and proved me once again that he performs it much better coming from the bench, this is better for him and the team, without him, I don't know if the match could turn this offensive for us.. as for Iaquinta, it's just not his day, and Forza Ranieri for insisting playing with Noce and Zanetti, their hard work were very obvious..
:agree:

Nedved stole the show at the end, but Ale was the one who looked more likely to make something happen.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Prefer De Ceglie as a left-winger or a back up left striker, because I feel that it is wasteful of his attacking abilities
Doesn't matter to me actually... I just want to see the great trio of out youngsters do rule at Juve (Gio, PDC and Marchisio)
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
28,186
:agree:

Nedved stole the show at the end, but Ale was the one who looked more likely to make something happen.
yup! many goals could have been scored, Trezeguet was unlucky at many occasions, his two freekicks also were very dangerous, not just that he had some good moves which were critical, you don't see me praise a player these much, but his presence at the second half was very important. He is hungrier when he comes from the bench, I just hope Ranieri doesn't change his mind.
 
Jan 7, 2004
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I, and i believe all the others, don't expect him to become a world class, but i do expect him to become better.
There are so many examples when players flourished when they made a transfer to a bigger club.
I'll mention Di Livio again. The guy played in serie B until he was 27. We bought him from a serie B squad as a 27 years old player.
Another full back, Cafu, made his transfer to a European club and became the best right back in the world at 27.
Oddo played in serie C when he was Molinaro's age.
Full backs seem to develop slower than the others.
Lots of others became much better after they were 25. Nedved played in Czech Republic's league when he was Molinaro's age.

I want to say that a transfer to a bigger club, where the best coaches work with you will probably make a much better player out of you. I hope and i think this will happen to Molinaro. He'll be better than he is at the moment, much better. Probably never a world class but solid enough to play for Juve.
i think those are exceptions to the rule though
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
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OK, I've held off posting and reading here until after I watched the recorded match -- as to not bias any opinions I write down here.

Boy, what a crappy game. No real finishing strength. Real problems controlling the ball. This would have been a disaster had this match been played in Bergamo. But thankfully we found a way to get all three points. Struggle, struggle, struggle.

I don't have much to say about the overall team performance other than we were constantly being disrupted and weren't playing off each other very well. The teamwork was probably most poor of all in this one. Ranieri made the right decision by putting in Del Piero and Marchionni right away at the half -- our left service was quite good with Molinaro (did I just say that?), but our right service was dreadful between Palladino, Iaquinta and Zebina.

Player ratings:

Buffon - 7 - Solid. Not a mistake. Not tested a ton, but did just about everything right.

Zebina - 5 - Solid first half wasted by a disastrous second half. In the first half he got duped once on defense, nicely recovered by Chiellini. But he did some of his own moves and won balls. By the second half he was hacking, got an idiotic yellow card, and totally blew his marker in the closing minutes that almost cost us two points on a late set piece.

Chiellini - 7.5 - Not tested a lot, but rock solid for what he was called to do. Covered for other defensive screw-ups. The most complete, flawless match on the team.

Legrottaglie - 6.5 - Got beat once (recovered by Chiellini), but otherwise did well on challenges, coming out to meet the ball and reverse the direction of play, etc. Good game.

Molinaro - 6.5 - Wow. He's improving, and last weekend I thought he had the match of his short Juve career. On the downside, he twice blew defensive coverage on Ferreira Pinto. He also needs to improve his sense of being onsides with the rest of the squad when it comes to his runs. But without question, by far, he was providing the best service on the entire club today. Some of his crosses may have been a little soft, but they were accurate. Trez just didn't do much with them. Also a couple good defensive pokes. And he runs a lot -- like a bunny, as you'd expect from a young player out to prove himself. He covered what seemed like the most area of any player on the pitch today. I no longer hate this guy after his past 2-3 match performances.

Nedved - 7 - While Chiellini played a better match, Neddy of course made the biggest difference in the end: MOM. Sure, a lot of it came come down to one late play. But Neddy has a knack for that and he kept at it and ultimately was most responsible for the three points. He's had better matches in terms of pursuit and ball distribution over the past month as well, but he did enough to keep the engine going and get us the win.

Zanetti - 7 - Generally pretty solid. Some nice defensive headers and some of his offensive feeds were better than they have been of late.

Nocerino - 6.5 - If not for some of his rookie-like mistakes, he could have vied for the MOM. An engine out there and relentless.

Palladino - 5 - Floundered. Lost the ball often. Bad crosses.

Trezeguet - 5.5 - While many of his shots were accurate, they had no power today. Everything was preventable.

Iaquinta - 5.5 - Added little to the right side in terms of service, and offered little in terms of teamwork today.

Subs:

Del Piero - 6.5 - Added a well-needed creative shot in the arm on the pitch in the second half. Some good set piece kicks too.

Marchionni - 4 - A complete disaster. He was a black hole -- taking up space, sucking up possession and turning the ball over instantaneously. One of the most awful performances I have seen from a Juve sub this season.

Tiago - NR - Not on long enough, really.

Coach:

Ranieri - 5 - Good sub choices at the half -- though I cannot fully blame him for how bad Marchionni stunk up the pitch. But otherwise the team wasn't focused and showed little preparation nor teamwork. And the late Tiago sub -- why? What was that for? Got lucky this round, that's for sure.
 

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