[SERIE A] JUVENTUS 1 - 0 Fiorentina (01/24/09) (9 Viewers)

ESS-Juventino

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May 6, 2005
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Some points from Juventus vs Viola:

(1) Great Performance by Marchisio, Zanetti, Legro and Marchionni.
(2) Buffon showed his worth again and again.
(3) Marchionni wasted a 2 opportunity...
(4) Ref's helped us for first time in whole 2 last season.
(5) 2 Magic passes by Alex .... and also he wasted a gold opportunity too.

Slowly I'm believing in Scudetto! Forza Juventus!
 

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Ahmed

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Sep 3, 2006
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Some points from Juventus vs Viola:

(1) Great Performance by Marchisio, Zanetti, Legro and Marchionni.
(2) Buffon showed his worth again and again.
(3) Marchionni wasted a 2 opportunity...
(4) Ref's helped us for first time in whole 2 last season.
(5) 2 Magic passes by Alex .... and also he wasted a gold opportunity too.

Slowly I'm believing in Scudetto! Forza Juventus!
I agree with most of it except 4...at first glance, I also thought Jovetic dived, and the offside was very close...genuine mistakes by the refs
 

Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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+ he panicked whenever he had the ball in our box
At one point i was cursing Molinaro for being suspended. That's how bad De Ceglie played.
I dont know why Allen, but you are really biased on this matter (so am i)

And do you remember how DC protected our ball between two players the first time he got it? Have you ever seen Molinaro to do smth like that. Do you think he will ever be able to do the same?
DC, like Zambro is an all around player. His creative side is strong with him, but he is still very young. We can harvest his talent and manipulate it, adjusting into our needs.
The cheapest way would be to turn him into a LM and Giovinco into a SS, so that we save the money needed to buy Neddy's and DP's replacements.
Our defense as a whole was bad yesterday, Grygera and Mellberg werent any better than DC. And they have been regular starters and they have much more exp and less excuses.
However we didnt concede! How did that happened?? Are you going to contradict your "numbers" this time?:spliff:

I dont know about you guys, but i was expecting that pressure
and i admire CR for having the balls and to start with Marchisio, instead of a second DM. This defense had two starters less. Co operation and coverage are essential in the defensive line, sometimes, they even outrank quality's importance!
And yet, CR took the risk, in a decisive game, against a very dangerous opponent. (while also having the option not to so)
A strong team able to do, what Fiorentina did yesterday!

And the risk payed off, Marchisio was the link our team needed, our midfield with our forward line were linked and with Marchionni's contributions, we created a lot of chances! The way Marchisio hold the ball and scored, cannot be repeated by any other DM/CM we have. His attacking instincts kicked in and he scored his first goal with us! His role is very underrated in these forums, but i am sure that CR is aware of his value/importance!

Nedved was really very bad at his offensive duties yesterday.
But we had no real alternatives. His successor, DC, was playing in another position and CR had other plans for Giovinco. We have been hinted for months that Giovinco is destined for a more offensive role. Him subbing DP was a clear message to all.

Shame that DP responded with the way he did, but i know how it feels at this particular moment.
At a moment he had the opportunity to change things and secure the win
and the next one he became a spectator, like the rest of us.
He had a good game overall and he was rather creative, with well placed passes and timing!

Buffon was almost as good as Frey!! He is back!!

And as for Marchionni, c' mon guys, that was certainly not, one of his bad days!
I believe that i have been his greatest critic this season, but yesterday, he really had a positive contribution and has finally shown his worth.
Truth is that he was unmarked, but he took his chances!
He is not to blame for Frey's world class saves and interceptions.

Somehow i expected to see what i did, i expected to see lady luck smile on us, as a pay back, for the way she smiled to Fiorentina last time.
Despite the goals and woodworks, i never actually feared that we are going to drop those points. Poetic justice or pure luck, i dont know, but thats exactly what i expected to see from a Mutu-less Fiorentina, as i stated in my first posts in this thread. The refs really do have smth against Fiorentina, could be retribution, or a preventive strike? Whatever it is, it is sad to see, that, after all what happened, there still is someone, able to control the refs and manipulate a team's performances and position on the table. I only wonder who protects us this year...
mourinho and co will be shitting now! i got a news in channel 4 saying that In five out of six occasions when Juventus have finished sole runners-up to the Winter Champions, they have gone on to win the Scudetto.
is it true? :D
It was a tradition we respected for many years and broke under Capello, some natural phenomenons, like the winter-crisis were to blame, but i remember us respecting this superstition. It usually was a duel with Milan, one team had the better start and right when they were confident enough, the winter crisis kicked in, due to fatigue and a temporal loss of focus, since the primary target was met.
That allowed the runner up to build a momentum for the counter attack
and use it, to overcome themselves. Althought today, things are different.
Today we have a dominant power, no one can follows.
A paper champion, a team of chokers and mercenaries, baptized champions.
And the rest... the rest of the league is a mere shadow of the former selves.
There has been a decline after the scandal, Italy has never recovered.
The old Juve and Milan would lead this league with 10-15 points ahead of us and Inter, forcing each other to improve and become nearly perfect, with little tolerance for mistakes and imperfections.
But in Moratti's league, there is no competition! This is reflected both in our transfers and on the frequency and the way, big teams flop.
Only us and Milan, can end this and cure Serie A, before its too late.
Milan was in a far greater position and they ought to do that already.
But it seems that Calciopoli touched in ways, we are not aware of
and they have chosen to protect their prestige, rather than threaten Inter.
Our hate and the champions heart, is the last hope. Roma proved last year, that Inter is not running in this league, the barely try to win it and they can do better when they a re forced to. But they are still Inter, they cant handle the pressure of winning a title they are really worthy of.
If we put the pressure on them and we are allowed to stand firm, (by the refs+press+internal problems) then "impossible is nothing"...
true but saying that we don't deserve 3pts when we won is pure complacency, not unbiased objectivity
you may believe that we played poorly today but that doesn't mean that the win wasn't earned. its a point race not a beauty pageant.
We were robbed two points before, that was retribution!
It feels right, doesnt it? Morally it does feel right.
But nature has proven that poetic justice doesnt always...happen...
A non Juve fan who hasnt seen the previous one and judges by objective and unbiased standards would have a different opinion on this game.
But we know better:p
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
How can you screw up such a magnificent counter-attack? What kind of a forward run was that? Running like a chicken with no head, like your objective is chasing the ball... That fucking Marchionni should be shot, beheaded, ass-raped.

Oh wait, that was Giovinco. :rolleyes:

Seriously, I also don't understand all the hate Marchionni is getting. Even though he did miss a very good chance, he was definetly not our worst player out there yesterday. Like someone said, one started all this hating and the rest followed for no apparent reason IMO. For most of the time, Marco was quite a decent sub for Camoranesi. If not for anything, it's for his corner kicks and free kicks, which he curles so well, very rarely are they not dangerous.
:agree: Exactly what i was trying to say.
 

RavaneVialli

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Jan 27, 2008
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:agree: Exactly what i was trying to say.
I agree. Marchionni was just average, he couldn't finish our best shooting situation but still he was running consistently and covering the whole right side of the pitch. Giovinco, losing almost every ball in his dribblings and a clear chance to score, was awful yesterday on the other hand and one has to be totally biased to say he was better than Marchionni. But as we can see, Ant is always better when starting the match rather than coming in from the bench, so maybe this is the key to his good perfomances. He should start ahead of Nedved, who unfirtunately is obviously fading.
 

RavaneVialli

Senior Member
Jan 27, 2008
863
How can you agree with me and then say Marchionni was average? :confused:

I thought he was one of your better players yesterday.
I meant vlatko's opinion with whom you agreed, that Marchionni is unnecessarily hatred here. Our whole team bar Buffon, Marchisio and Del Piero was rather mediocre yesterday and Marchinni wasn't as good as the three mentioned, but still better than the rest of the team.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
41,113
He was just as good as Marchisio in my eyes, Marchionni run all game long, he linked up with Grygera well, he made some smart runs and all in all gave Pasqual a hard time, if his crosses were good enough he would have got a 7.5 from me, but imo he was deserving of a 7.
 

Sadomin

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Apr 5, 2005
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Buffon 7

Grygera 5.5
Mellberg 6
Legro 6
De Ceglie 5

Marchionni 6.5
Marchisio 7
Zanetti 6.5
Nedved 4.5

Del Piero 6.5
Amauri 6

Ranieri 5.5

Marchionni was obviously in some kind of free role and it suited him. His end product wasn't the best but as someone mentioned earlier, he was involved in every play and always a passing option.
 

Enoran

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Nov 3, 2007
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I will put down the 2 consecutive chances that Marco had as 2 splendid saves rather than 2 poor finishes. Marchionni is up against a Viola defender and Frey himself. The fact that he still can pull off the trigger twice already suggest some quick thinking and close ball control. Too bad, he wasn't a astute finisher like wat DP or Trez is ...
 

lil zlatan

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Mar 5, 2006
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Ratings from Gazzetta dello sport.

Buffon 7

De Ceglie 5,5
Grygera 6
Legrottaglie 6,5
Mellberg 6

Zanetti 6
Marchisio 7,5
Marchionni 5
Nedved 5

Amauri 6
Del Piero 7

Giovinco 5,5
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
54,028
Fair ratings, Sadomin.

Fiorentina created a lot of chances yesterday. I don't know for sure but it might be that they created more against us than any other serie A team this season. The reason can be located in our team. Without Sissoko and Chiellini, even Molinaro, our greatest strenght this season, the team defense, couldn't function well.
But while some other teams concede 4 goals when they're missing their Sissoko, Chiellini and Molinaro (Gattuso ,Nesta, Zambrotta) or 3 goals only when they're without their Sissoko (Muntari) we managed to keep a clean sheet.

We play crippled all season long. It's not an excuse, it's a fact that the injuries cost us a good number of points. Manninger was very good, but yesterday you could see what we were missing on goal. Marchionni is useful no matter if people here hate him, but when we'll have Camo back you'll see what we were missing at MR. The role of 2 more important players on every single match was played ok, but not as good as if our starters played.

So, fuck the negativity in this thread and look at the standings. What Ranieri managed to do with the players at his disposal is a miracle.
If sometime in August somebody told you that we'll play 90% of the 20 rounds without Camo, Buffon, Trez, Zanetti, Zebina and another starter on every other match, all of you would've said that Juve were going to be in mid-table right now.

:delpiero: Ranieri
:delpiero: Del Piero
:delpiero: all the Juve players who made this happen.
 

mondo1

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May 14, 2006
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don't be to harsh on dc... he was bad yesterday that is for sure but it is the first time he played lc since ages... don't forget that molinaro played nearly 1 1/2 season as a lb.... and he disappointed at most times.. surley he improved in the last games but i think with the time he played dc would be 10 times the player molinaro is
 

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