I don't think this is because the board thinks Ciro can turn things around right away. I think this has a lot more to do with the availability of a suitable replacement. :frown:
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[Serie A] JUVENTUS 0-3 AC Milan (Jan. 10th, 2010) (1 Viewer)
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Bordeaux 2 - 0 Juventus
Cagliari 2 - 0 Juventus
Juventus 2 - 1 Internazionale
Juventus 1 - 4 Bayern München
Bari 3 - 1 Juventus
Juventus 1 - 2 Catania
Parma 1 - 2 Juventus
Juventus 0 - 3 Milan
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We should have changed coaches three times by now. I am at loss for words.
Cagliari 2 - 0 Juventus
Juventus 2 - 1 Internazionale
Juventus 1 - 4 Bayern München
Bari 3 - 1 Juventus
Juventus 1 - 2 Catania
Parma 1 - 2 Juventus
Juventus 0 - 3 Milan
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We should have changed coaches three times by now. I am at loss for words.
I think most has already been said, but here's my take on the game anyway.
Both teams started the game in a really calm fashion. We tried to take some initiative, but without any real success. Both teams pretty much cancelled each other out. Which made for a boring game, but at least it felt that we were not going to lose.
That was until our first brain fart happened, not surprisingly on a set piece. We gifted a goal to Milan out of the blue & that pretty much meant game over, since we were once again lacking in the creative department. The first few minutes of the 2nd half gave me some hope, but it didn't last.
Once again a very sad evening.
Sad because of the loss.
Sad because of the dreadful performance in the last 30 min.
Sad because of our bench: very few options to change the game, if any.
Manninger 5 - Barely made a save and looked very insecure.
Grygera 5 - Not too crappy, but a fair amount of difficulties.
Cannavaro 6 - A few moments where he was exposed due to his lack of speed, but mostly covered for it himself with smart positioning. One of our better players.
Chiellini 6,5 - Our best player once again.
Grosso 5 - Exposed a few times and did not contribute much going forward.
Salihamidzic 4,5 - Rather erratic. It made sense he was the one to be subbed out.
Poulsen 5,5 - Some good work in the middle of the pitch, but quite a few difficulties as well.
Melo 5 - An overall ok game, once again marred by horrible mistakes. Oh, and you just know you have a problem when you're being outrun by Pirlo.
Marchisio 4,5 - Rather poor, but he obviously needs to play as centrally as possible if we want to get the most out of him.
Diego 5 - He tried but did not succeed. Also needs to work hard to improve his set piece delivery.
Amauri 5 - Mostly invisible, but I'll cut him some slack since he barely received anything to work with. Did he even get 5 decent passes?
Del Piero 4,5 - Pretty bad. He's not going to regain a starting spot if he puts in performances like this.
De Ceglie 4 - Brought very little, if anything.
Both teams started the game in a really calm fashion. We tried to take some initiative, but without any real success. Both teams pretty much cancelled each other out. Which made for a boring game, but at least it felt that we were not going to lose.
That was until our first brain fart happened, not surprisingly on a set piece. We gifted a goal to Milan out of the blue & that pretty much meant game over, since we were once again lacking in the creative department. The first few minutes of the 2nd half gave me some hope, but it didn't last.
Once again a very sad evening.
Sad because of the loss.
Sad because of the dreadful performance in the last 30 min.
Sad because of our bench: very few options to change the game, if any.
Manninger 5 - Barely made a save and looked very insecure.
Grygera 5 - Not too crappy, but a fair amount of difficulties.
Cannavaro 6 - A few moments where he was exposed due to his lack of speed, but mostly covered for it himself with smart positioning. One of our better players.
Chiellini 6,5 - Our best player once again.
Grosso 5 - Exposed a few times and did not contribute much going forward.
Salihamidzic 4,5 - Rather erratic. It made sense he was the one to be subbed out.
Poulsen 5,5 - Some good work in the middle of the pitch, but quite a few difficulties as well.
Melo 5 - An overall ok game, once again marred by horrible mistakes. Oh, and you just know you have a problem when you're being outrun by Pirlo.
Marchisio 4,5 - Rather poor, but he obviously needs to play as centrally as possible if we want to get the most out of him.
Diego 5 - He tried but did not succeed. Also needs to work hard to improve his set piece delivery.
Amauri 5 - Mostly invisible, but I'll cut him some slack since he barely received anything to work with. Did he even get 5 decent passes?
Del Piero 4,5 - Pretty bad. He's not going to regain a starting spot if he puts in performances like this.
De Ceglie 4 - Brought very little, if anything.
This is a problem me and Andy addressed in the live thread and I can't see who the problem is.
Can it be coach's fault? Maybe, but I think the players carry a lot of the blame here and since defending set-pieces was one of our main strengths in Ranieri's time, I can point my finger at Cannavaro, Grosso and whoever's replacing Sissoko.
Whenever we conceded a corner kick in the previous 2 seasons, I learned not to worry at all because I knew that Chiellini, Mellberg, Legro, Sissoko and even Molinaro, who rarely used his head for anything, would have cleared it with ease. I'm trying hard to remember now, but I can't remember a goal we conceded after corner kick in the previous years.
This year every corner is a huge danger and lots of them ended up with a goal.
Seriously, who's to blame here?
Can it be coach's fault? Maybe, but I think the players carry a lot of the blame here and since defending set-pieces was one of our main strengths in Ranieri's time, I can point my finger at Cannavaro, Grosso and whoever's replacing Sissoko.
Whenever we conceded a corner kick in the previous 2 seasons, I learned not to worry at all because I knew that Chiellini, Mellberg, Legro, Sissoko and even Molinaro, who rarely used his head for anything, would have cleared it with ease. I'm trying hard to remember now, but I can't remember a goal we conceded after corner kick in the previous years.
This year every corner is a huge danger and lots of them ended up with a goal.
Seriously, who's to blame here?
Its pathetic. If you see an unmanned opponent or you're not marking anyone then you as a player need to take the liberty of maning the front/back post and take more pressure off the keeper.
If I were Ferarra I would assign roles in defending set pieces but it looks like they all just crowd in there aimlessly instead.
If I were Ferarra I would assign roles in defending set pieces but it looks like they all just crowd in there aimlessly instead.
Defending set-pieces is done using a system of placing the players where they should, each with a role, whether to watch the ball or a player. I think all teams defend set-pieces in the same way or at least in similar ways. Maybe the positioning differs depending on the players available but there are certain positions that should always be there.
Now it is all down to executing that, the coach has to instruct them on what to do, he has to warn them about what players to keep a closer eye on (if the coach is prepared for the opponent) and the players to do that right.
I don't think any of these is being done, no instructions, no warnings and the players are left to do what they are used to do from previous experiences.
Add to that Melo.
Now it is all down to executing that, the coach has to instruct them on what to do, he has to warn them about what players to keep a closer eye on (if the coach is prepared for the opponent) and the players to do that right.
I don't think any of these is being done, no instructions, no warnings and the players are left to do what they are used to do from previous experiences.
Add to that Melo.
what is wrong with this team, thank god we played a lowly Milan, otherwise we would have really gotten our butts spanked. this was a really low game.
Besides Chiellini, maybe Cannavaro and the still not fit del piero our team sucked from a to z.
Diego - he is always great in the opening 2 1/2 minutes, than you can forget him.
Melo - Man he sucks.
Poulsen, a Juve player ? in the 1990s he would only carry the balls to the training ground.
grygera - He is great for the Austrian or suisse league, or the czech, not for seria a and not for Juve !
Salihamizic , at least he tries, but not more to say.
Amauri, he was good at palermo, but seems like he has forgotten how to play since he earns big $$. He has no work ethic, no movement, even Del Piero was running more...
Marcisio - I like him but he can´t carry the team.
Crosso, he is a has been, unfortunatly...
Man it sucks to watch the team lately , it´s not ciro´s fault although he could get some of the players out and play some youth so maybe there is more talent.
Let´s hope Iaquinta, Trez and camo will be fit soon, altough it would not change that much.
Man I am pissed.
Besides Chiellini, maybe Cannavaro and the still not fit del piero our team sucked from a to z.
Diego - he is always great in the opening 2 1/2 minutes, than you can forget him.
Melo - Man he sucks.
Poulsen, a Juve player ? in the 1990s he would only carry the balls to the training ground.
grygera - He is great for the Austrian or suisse league, or the czech, not for seria a and not for Juve !
Salihamizic , at least he tries, but not more to say.
Amauri, he was good at palermo, but seems like he has forgotten how to play since he earns big $$. He has no work ethic, no movement, even Del Piero was running more...
Marcisio - I like him but he can´t carry the team.
Crosso, he is a has been, unfortunatly...
Man it sucks to watch the team lately , it´s not ciro´s fault although he could get some of the players out and play some youth so maybe there is more talent.
Let´s hope Iaquinta, Trez and camo will be fit soon, altough it would not change that much.
Man I am pissed.
4411 is probably the worst formation I have ever seen. Add to that a team that doesn't give a shit, numerous injuries plus 1 (poulsen) and you have the ingredients for an ass kicking. I have no will to assess the game yesterday. We all saw it, we all know what happened. The players should be punished for their play and the coach for a damn 4411...what the hell is a 4411 anyways?
Our season has turned into a Tragic Comedy....bravo.
Our season has turned into a Tragic Comedy....bravo.
Ciro's Check-List:
1.) Out of Serie A contention and the CL before February?! Done
2.) Out of the Europa League and Coppa Italia by March?! Almost there
3.) Losing out on 4'th place to Roma, Napoli, Fiorentina, or Palermo? Possible
4.) Destroying one of Italy's football giants and converting them into the laughing stock of the peninsula and the rest of the world? Priceless!
1.) Out of Serie A contention and the CL before February?! Done
2.) Out of the Europa League and Coppa Italia by March?! Almost there
3.) Losing out on 4'th place to Roma, Napoli, Fiorentina, or Palermo? Possible
4.) Destroying one of Italy's football giants and converting them into the laughing stock of the peninsula and the rest of the world? Priceless!