[Serie A] JUVENTUS 0-3 AC Milan (Jan. 10th, 2010) (8 Viewers)

Amaurisimo

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Dec 8, 2007
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Juventus 0-3 Milan - Juve humbled as Scudetto race becomes a Milan derby

By Sadia Hussain

The importance of this game couldn’t be higher; this was an opportunity for Milan to stay on the shirt tales of Inter, while for Juventus it was more to do with pride and not to mention that the fate of Ciro Ferrara is hugely determined by the outcome of this game.



The game was cagey at first with both sides giving away possession and not really attacking with conviction. Juve did however have the first shot at goal with a Diego free kick in the fourth minute. The Brazialian again showed his class, when in the 13th minute he took on two Milan defenders but eventually his shot flashed just pass the face of the goal.

Both teams were rather untidy and loose with the ball, but the Rossoneri soon took control and continued to press The Old Lady. Again Juve were punished by their poor defending when in the 29th minute Alessandro Nesta of all people, opened the scoring. It culminated from a poor corner from Andrea Pirlo, but because Christian Poulsen and Felipe Melo failed to clear the ball at the near post, it fell perfectly for an unmarked Nesta to tap it in. This forced Juve to react, and react they did, when at the other end Giorgio Chiellini had an opportunity to restore the balance, but his attempt was quickly picked up by the Milan keeper.

Out of the two goalkeepers Alex Manninger was the busier of the two. After the first goal Juventus seemed rattled and were showing their frustrations by making late tackles. The second half saw a more aggressive approach from Juve. However, just when it seemed to be going Juve’s way, a set- piece from Pirlo found Ronaldinho who ultimately found the back of the net thanks to a deflection by Paolo De Ceglie. To the disgust of the home supporters the game ended 3-0 with Ronaldinho getting his second of the night in the 88th minute, when he controlled a cross in the six yard bow with his chest and slotted in.

Leonardo: “It is a journey and if we didn’t have the bad moments then maybe we wouldn’t be here in this condition.”

Ferrara: “It’s true we didn’t create much, but we held Milan down too.”

Juventus are now four points behind Milan in third place, while the Rossoneri also have a game in hand. The dream of the Scudetto is gone and surely Ciro Ferrera's job will be soon. He decided to field a 4-4-1-1 formation with Amauri upfront with Diego just behind him. This formation barely helped Juve beat Parma in Wednesday’s match and they were extremely lucky to win that game through an own goal. Amauri was again not enough and Diego, who was a vast improvement of late, seemed very isolated and lacked the necessary support. If Ferrara keeps his position as coach he should reconsider a 4-4-2 or 4-3-1-2 formation. Tonight’s game should prove that at least two strikers are needed.

The implosion of The Bianconeri is not just the formation, as they have a few players either out injured or on suspension. Juventus are without Gianluigi Buffon due to a knee injury, David Trezeguet - who is suffering from an ankle injury picked up in the Parma game - while Vincenzo Iaquinta is another important name on the injury list. Now with Juve missing most of their strike force, fourth place doesn’t seem that bad, but not for the home supporters. They were so disgusted with the team’s performance that they set light to some parts of the stadium, and the resulting smoke descended on the pitch, covering it in an artificial fog.

Milan was also without some of their stars including Clarence Seedorf, Gianluca Zambrotta, Alexandre Pato, Massimo Oddo and Oguchi Onyewu. However they were able to pummel Juventus on their own turf in Turin. They were able to use the vast amount of experience they had to their advantage. David Beckham was one player who had an amazing work rate, and was always there to not only assist his fellow team mates but also took a shot whenever the opportunity presented itself. Another player who was in most of the action was Andrea Pirlo, as his set pieces set up two of the goals, and not to forget the man who scored two of the goals, Ronaldinho, who is said to be enjoying his time at Serie A more than his time spent at La Liga. In all the Rossoneri played the better football, deserved all three points, and showed the desire needed to be title contenders. As a result it is them and not Juventus who occupy second place, eight points behind leaders Inter but with a game in hand.

Juventus 0-3 Milan- Nesta 29, Ronaldinho 72, 88

Juventus (4-4-1-1): Manninger- Chiellini, Cannavaro, Grosso, Grygera - Poulsen (De Ceglie), Melo, Marchisio, Salihamidzic (Del Piero 60) - Amauri, Diego

Milan (4-2-3-1): Dida- Thiago, Nesta, Antonini, Abate - Pirlo,Ambrosini, Gattuso (Flamini 65) - Ronaldinho, Beckham, Borriello (Huntelaar 86)

Statistics

Juventus- Milan

8- Corners - 9

14 (4) - Shots ( on target) - 7 (4)

28 - Fouls - 15

2 (0) - Yellow cards ( Red) - 1 (0)

4 - Offside - 8
 

Mafia

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Jul 21, 2006
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This is a problem me and Andy addressed in the live thread and I can't see who the problem is.
Can it be coach's fault? Maybe, but I think the players carry a lot of the blame here and since defending set-pieces was one of our main strengths in Ranieri's time, I can point my finger at Cannavaro, Grosso and whoever's replacing Sissoko.

Whenever we conceded a corner kick in the previous 2 seasons, I learned not to worry at all because I knew that Chiellini, Mellberg, Legro, Sissoko and even Molinaro, who rarely used his head for anything, would have cleared it with ease. I'm trying hard to remember now, but I can't remember a goal we conceded after corner kick in the previous years.
This year every corner is a huge danger and lots of them ended up with a goal.

Seriously, who's to blame here?
Yep, i tell people the same thing, last 2 seasons, i literally could not recall conceding a goal on more than one or max 2 corners, it was awesome, a corner was never a nervous moment, it was great, now they are threatening all the time :(. However, i'm too at a loss for what the reason is, not sure if Grosso and Cannavaro are being outrun by whom they are meant to mark, or beaten aerially, because though Canna has a good leap, hes still small..or if its even Caceres or someone elses fault, i'm really quite stumped myself.
 

v1rtu4l

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Mar 4, 2008
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Yep, i tell people the same thing, last 2 seasons, i literally could not recall conceding a goal on more than one or max 2 corners, it was awesome, a corner was never a nervous moment, it was great, now they are threatening all the time :(. However, i'm too at a loss for what the reason is, not sure if Grosso and Cannavaro are being outrun by whom they are meant to mark, or beaten aerially, because though Canna has a good leap, hes still small..or if its even Caceres or someone elses fault, i'm really quite stumped myself.
you never know what you got till its gone ... i just recall the "we have no creativity"-whining back then .... ha ha ... funny to look at it right now ... where we really have no creativity

and all the unlogical talk of "we would be much more unpredictable with a trequartista than with two wingers" ... that shit did not even make sense back then
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Defending set-pieces is done using a system of placing the players where they should, each with a role, whether to watch the ball or a player. I think all teams defend set-pieces in the same way or at least in similar ways. Maybe the positioning differs depending on the players available but there are certain positions that should always be there.

Now it is all down to executing that, the coach has to instruct them on what to do, he has to warn them about what players to keep a closer eye on (if the coach is prepared for the opponent) and the players to do that right.

I don't think any of these is being done, no instructions, no warnings and the players are left to do what they are used to do from previous experiences.

Add to that Melo.
It's not that fucking difficult. What's supposed to happen is that all the players are marked up man to man, and the extra players take the posts. Buffon is the one who should be delivering the instructions in those set piece scenarios, making sure all angles are covered. In high school as a sweeper, I dished out many of the orders, and not even once did we concede because somebody wasn't at the back post. It's the most simple thing to remember and the most simple object to mark.

Now, unless Ferrara is telling them not to worry about guarding the posts, then the blame first rests on Buffon and Cannavaro, then Ciro. Ferrara has to fix the problem if it's still exists.

Such silly stuff that even low level teams understand. :disagree:
 

Hennes

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Sep 3, 2004
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It's not that fucking difficult. What's supposed to happen is that all the players are marked up man to man, and the extra players take the posts. Buffon is the one who should be delivering the instructions in those set piece scenarios, making sure all angles are covered. In high school as a sweeper, I dished out many of the orders, and not even once did we concede because somebody wasn't at the back post. It's the most simple thing to remember and the most simple object to mark.

Now, unless Ferrara is telling them not to worry about guarding the posts, then the blame first rests on Buffon and Cannavaro, then Ciro. Ferrara has to fix the problem if it's still exists.

Such silly stuff that even low level teams understand. :disagree:
I remember that during the WC Italy was the only team that had nobody marking the posts. Some teams only had one post marked but Italy none. Maybe that's a Buffon-thing. It's not that you forget it. It's a decision you make as a goalkeeper.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
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Ahem, somebody noticed the transfer window is open ???
Maybe we got some 3-5 million to spend, I am sure even I could find 3 players for that money who will help us immediatly.
Unfortunately, the choice not to spend nothing here and now was made in the previous summer, when somebody decided that we are very well covered in the defense and AMFs and all we need is one more DM.
Then we spend the last penny we had to get the best we could and hoped that the quantity of quality players we had in the midfield, would somehow find their way to become a balanced team, without the guidance of a proper coach:shifty:


It was a wild card, but at the beginning it seemed that it might actually work...
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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I remember that during the WC Italy was the only team that had nobody marking the posts. Some teams only had one post marked but Italy none. Maybe that's a Buffon-thing. It's not that you forget it. It's a decision you make as a goalkeeper.
Then I must say that is a rather strange way to defend corners, especially when you have extra players doing nothing but standing around. Melo was just standing around marking space along with a couple other players. Obviously, that only made the situation worse. So if it is a Buffon thing, then he takes the blame. Really inept way to defend corners.
 

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