Serie A: Catania vs Juventus [Jan 13 2008] (28 Viewers)

[serfaraaz]

Yes we cannot build a squad like Inter because we do not have the money but that doesn't mean the reason we don't compare is because of referee decisions. Our team is not making the most of the players we have as well as using tactics which don't make sense for the situations at hand. I am sure Inter has had unfair decisions against them this season as well as every other Serie A team. Who cares. Let's work on improving our squad and not placing the blame on others. Juventus is full of talent that we are not utilizing. We should be happy to have won as many games as we have with the quality of football that our team is playing recently. Lets say referees are being 'unfair' to us because of Calciopoli that still isn't a reason to discredit all the mistakes our board and coach are making.

this juve squad is mainly relying on the same players who have been crucial in juve success in last six years we cant give players like molinaro nocerino who do not know to cross the ball or pass the ball have been playing bad for so many matches but we cant replace them because of our lack of depth so if refrees constantly keep on giving wrong decision i dont think we will challenge for the scudetto and for raineri everybody doesnt like him of his tactics then who will will u replace with him mourihno or lippi i dont think lippi will come back and for mourihno u will have to provide lots of money to assemble a squad of his choice

 

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[suligodsilla]

Yes we cannot build a squad like Inter because we do not have the money but that doesn't mean the reason we don't compare is because of referee decisions. Our team is not making the most of the players we have as well as using tactics which don't make sense for the situations at hand. I am sure Inter has had unfair decisions against them this season as well as every other Serie A team. Who cares. Let's work on improving our squad and not placing the blame on others. Juventus is full of talent that we are not utilizing. We should be happy to have won as many games as we have with the quality of football that our team is playing recently. Lets say referees are being 'unfair' to us because of Calciopoli that still isn't a reason to discredit all the mistakes our board and coach are making.

there is a little bit truth, what the guy says....

 

[Zé Tahir]

this juve squad is mainly relying on the same players who have been crucial in juve success in last six years we cant give players like molinaro nocerino who do not know to cross the ball or pass the ball have been playing bad for so many matches but we cant replace them because of our lack of depth so if refrees constantly keep on giving wrong decision i dont think we will challenge for the scudetto and for raineri everybody doesnt like him of his tactics then who will will u replace with him mourihno or lippi i dont think lippi will come back and for mourihno u will have to provide lots of money to assemble a squad of his choice

Dude, what? Use punctuations ffs

 

[Azzurri7]

Sarah that was one painyy post for an eye.

 

[serfaraaz]

Dude, what? Use punctuations ffs

you forget to put full stop

 

[Sarah]

this juve squad is mainly relying on the same players who have been crucial in juve success in last six years we cant give players like molinaro nocerino who do not know to cross the ball or pass the ball have been playing bad for so many matches but we cant replace them because of our lack of depth so if refrees constantly keep on giving wrong decision i dont think we will challenge for the scudetto and for raineri everybody doesnt like him of his tactics then who will will u replace with him mourihno or lippi i dont think lippi will come back and for mourihno u will have to provide lots of money to assemble a squad of his choice

Yeah this Juve squad is relying on the same players which is our managements problem. Why are we not buying players at the moment? Exactly. Our management is stupid. We have money to spend this transfer period but our management has clearly decided to make stupid decisions and/or perhaps not buy any players until the summer. I don't think Lippi will return and I am not even saying lets fire Ranieri. I am just saying lets take credit for our lack of quality and stop putting all the blame on the referees because frankly, it is annoying.

there is a little bit truth, what the guy says....

There is truth that we have referee decisions against us. I just don't think we can use that as an excuse to cover up all our issues as a team. Its easy to place blame on referees. If we do that why not just leave Serie A since we have such a world class squad that is miles above anyone else and the only thing holding us back from beating Inter in points is referees. Its just too idealistic.

Dude, what? Use punctuations ffs

 

[Sarah]

Sarah that was one painyy post for an eye.

 

[serfaraaz]

As i said before unless there is money provided by agnelli family. We wont assemble squad to challenge inter and i doubt raneri has the credentials to win juve the scudetto as he keeps on making the same mistakes and he favours some of the players.So it comes back to the same point if the refrees dont give correct decision against juve we will not challenge for the scudetto.

 

[Sarah]

As i said before unless there is money provided by agnelli family. We wont assemble squad to challenge inter and i doubt raneri has the credentials to win juve the scudetto as he keeps on making the same mistakes and he favours some of the players.So it comes back to the same point if the refrees dont give correct decision against juve we will not challenge for the scudetto.

The Agnelli family is not responsible for giving us all the money. They don't just say here is money go buy players. Juventus is a corporation. They have revenue and we have a transfer budget for this January transfer window. If we can't make the most of it, our management is the one at fault not the Agnelli bank account. We spend what is best for the state of the company. If we just went on a spending spree, it could negatively impact our stock which could hurt the financial situation of Juventus, and the bank accounts of our investors who are made up of other investors than just the Agnelli family.

Thanks though you made my point. We have a problem with playing the wrong players and the wrong tactics which is why we are not challenging for the Scudetto. Although, I personally think that refereeing decisions are just a minor detail of why we aren't challenging for the Scudetto.

 

[serfaraaz]

The Agnelli family is not responsible for giving us all the money. They don't just say here is money go buy players. Juventus is a corporation. They have revenue and we have a transfer budget for this January transfer window. If we can't make the most of it, our management is the one at fault not the Agnelli bank account. We spend what is best for the state of the company. If we just went on a spending spree, it could negatively impact our stock which could hurt the financial situation of Juventus, and the bank accounts of our investors who are made up of other investors than just the Agnelli family.

Thanks though you made my point. We have a problem with playing the wrong players and the wrong tactics which is why we are not challenging for the Scudetto. Although, I personally think that refereeing decisions are just a minor detail of why we aren't challenging for the Scudetto.

But i think its time agnelli family help juve out with some financial assistance as they used to do before 1996.We have to invest some substantial money to be competitive in ucl and to fight for the scudetto and even it meant having a bad effect on the financial situation .As this is the only way to compete for scudetto if u dont include refreeing decisions.

 

[pavelnedved]

That angle shows he took a step before the ball was kicked that made him off side. The linesman was in a good position to see that and he was wrong to keep his flag down.

haha angela, why do you have zlatan in your 'tar ?

 

[AngelaL]

haha angela, why do you have zlatan in your 'tar ?

The pic of him all dolled up to go somewhere? I found it on "Jigzone". I thought it would give you a laugh!

I never knew he wore red & yellow beads.

 

[pavelnedved]

The pic of him all dolled up to go somewhere? I found it on "Jigzone". I thought it would give you a laugh!

well it did

 

[Cronios]

we have a transfer budget for this January transfer window.

We do??????

 

[Sarah]

We do??????

Crazy, right?

Instead of using it though, we are just going to ask the Agnelli family to give us control of their bank account.

 

[Cronios]

The funny thing is that I never expected us to be 3rd considering the calibre of players we have but i guess that has to do with the calibre of seriea as a whole but this team as overachieved as far as I can tell.

Me too, i expected Milan & Fiorentina to be a bit better than they currently are, should we kick away that opportunity? We ought to do that ?
If they suck, that doesnt make us good, (just better than them! )
We are just doing our job, as expected, we have only overachieved at derbies...

We did not buy this, we did not buy that, forgetting that these guys had to start from scratch to clean up the mess that the so called messiah Moggi left behind.
They possibly had to deal with ppl looking donw their noses as us as we have been labelled cheats whether justified or not is immaterial. Big players and coaches would not have wanted to touch us at the start of the season as the stigma was there.

I agree about the stigma, i was all alone here standing on the ground, when ppl were dreaming of Lampard and Robinho, there are many reasons that wouldnt allow Juve to make a proper buy, but that doesnt mean that we did well for the money+the material we had available,
IF we were determined, we would have signed someone like Milito, long before the other teams were involved, we missed him for 2-5mil, he would have joined us for the money we gave on Andrade and half of the the money we gave to Criscito's half!
Instead of buying Tiago+Almiron, we could have bought just one starter.
These two decisions would help us remain competitive by now,
we chose to risk.
Dont forget that we are back in serie A,two years already passed,
we are still Juventus and we spent about 40 mil euros!
Things could have been worse, but they could also be a lot better.
When smth depends on our choices, it still remains our responsebility, we cannot afford any mistakes at this stage, the other teams can!
We cannot rest assured by their mistakes, we are not in the same position.
Using the same funds and negotiating the same contracts, with the same influence, we could have done a lot better. Our managers are driving our club down. If they were selected as a temporary, urgent solution, it is the right time, now to replace them, with some proper professionals!
The mistakes they made are to obvious to miss and im impressed you didnt notice them,the inability to make simple choices, the repetition of the same mistakes and the wrong decisions are hard to miss, esp if there are members here able to spot them even before our staff...

IMO Juve has been competitive in the top level, mostly because of the
top notch management, we have been one of the most "professional" clubs in the entire world, we could achieve the same efficiency with little or no funding. We have the been THE "company".
That was our winning receipe, by the Agnelli era, we are now quite the opposite of what we were, not a mere shadow of the old organized Juve, we will never make it to the top again, this way!

I dont know/care if these morrons leading our team now, were here before, but i have been and i have seen. Criticizing their stupid mistakes is the least i can do as a Juve fan, they cannot fool me with some lucky results. Juve worths the best quality and if they are not up to the task, they should go back to their rabbit holes and let someone capable to do the job for them...

o and BTW, Molinaro must die!!

 

[Ahmed]

I don't think that our budget is the issue...it is our incompetent maagement that fails to get the players we require...instead of pushing hard for top-class players, they prefer to settle on lesser players, whose transfers can be conducted more smoothly

 

[Salvo]

The Agnelli family is not responsible for giving us all the money. They don't just say here is money go buy players. Juventus is a corporation. They have revenue and we have a transfer budget for this January transfer window. If we can't make the most of it, our management is the one at fault not the Agnelli bank account.

this is very true, first our board needs start making more revenue. because if you look at stock and that stuff right now it has dropped enourmously. juventus is its own company the money comes from juve not the agnelli's. obviously if we were in dire need for money the agnelli's would put it in, but not for transfers.

 

[Salvo]

I don't think that our budget is the issue...it is our incompetent maagement that fails to get the players we require...instead of pushing hard for top-class players, they prefer to settle on lesser players, whose transfers can be conducted more smoothly

exactly, we need fresh faces in our managment.

 

[denco]

Me too, i expected Milan & Fiorentina to be a bit better than they currently are, should we kick away that opportunity? We ought to do that ?
If they suck, that doesnt make us good, (just better than them! )
We are just doing our job, as expected, we have only overachieved at derbies...


I agree about the stigma, i was all alone here standing on the ground, when ppl were dreaming of Lampard and Robinho, there are many reasons that wouldnt allow Juve to make a proper buy, but that doesnt mean that we did well for the money+the material we had available,
IF we were determined, we would have signed someone like Milito, long before the other teams were involved, we missed him for 2-5mil, he would have joined us for the money we gave on Andrade and half of the the money we gave to Criscito's half!
Instead of buying Tiago+Almiron, we could have bought just one starter.
These two decisions would help us remain competitive by now,
we chose to risk.
Dont forget that we are back in serie A,two years already passed,
we are still Juventus and we spent about 40 mil euros!
Things could have been worse, but they could also be a lot better.
When smth depends on our choices, it still remains our responsebility, we cannot afford any mistakes at this stage, the other teams can!
We cannot rest assured by their mistakes, we are not in the same position.
Using the same funds and negotiating the same contracts, with the same influence, we could have done a lot better. Our managers are driving our club down. If they were selected as a temporary, urgent solution, it is the right time, now to replace them, with some proper professionals!
The mistakes they made are to obvious to miss and im impressed you didnt notice them,the inability to make simple choices, the repetition of the same mistakes and the wrong decisions are hard to miss, esp if there are members here able to spot them even before our staff...

IMO Juve has been competitive in the top level, mostly because of the
top notch management, we have been one of the most "professional" clubs in the entire world, we could achieve the same efficiency with little or no funding. We have the been THE "company".
That was our winning receipe, by the Agnelli era, we are now quite the opposite of what we were, not a mere shadow of the old organized Juve, we will never make it to the top again, this way!

I dont know/care if these morrons leading our team now, were here before, but i have been and i have seen. Criticizing their stupid mistakes is the least i can do as a Juve fan, they cannot fool me with some lucky results. Juve worths the best quality and if they are not up to the task, they should go back to their rabbit holes and let someone capable to do the job for them...

o and BTW, Molinaro must die!!

First of all it seems you are ignoring the fact that Moggi put us in the shithouse as far as signing big name players at the beginning of the season.

I would not have got the players we got personally, but would I have had a choice? There is no way the big names would have come here following our extremely recent scandalous past.

You are talking about Agnelli but did he have to deal with a Juventus that was embroiled in the kind of shame that this present board had to deal with.

You cannot just discount all of that as you and I do not know for sure which players and managers rejected the chance to join us.

Remember we played hamburg sv in preseason and I dont remember Rafael Van Der Vaart sayiing he would like to join but now that Juventus are getting good press again with seeming good results and high placing in the league then all of a sudden he wants to join us.

Sissoko allegedly said Liverpool were a bigger club at the beginning of the season and now he wants to join etc.

The fact is no matter what money you have if you havea bad reputation, very few would like to associate with you publicly.

Next season is another matter as now at least the reputation is no more as bad as it was in the beginning, so if they continue to but crap then the criticism would be justified.

How ironic is it that if Moggi was still here, the style of football would still have been shit but those decisions that have gone against would not have and we would have been top of the league.

Our style of play has always been the same even with far better players than we have now save for a few years under Lippi