Serie A: Catania vs Juventus [Jan 13 2008] (23 Viewers)

[serfaraaz]

Just imagine, we are beating Inter 1-0 in the Delli Alpi, then in injury time they get a dubious penalty, do you think the Juve fans are going to cheer? They are obviously going to jeer at them, and call them cheats/thieves/corrupt etc.

first thing is dp penalty decision was right it has been debated quite a lot but the experts have said that dp was tripped
i am quite sure refrees are going to give some dubious decision to inter i dont expect the juventus fans to wait so long to call inter cheaters they are cheaters

 

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[Paolo Sosa]

10 points is a quit big difference

 

[denco]

first thing is dp penalty decision was right it has been debated quite a lot but the experts have said that dp was tripped
i am quite sure refrees are going to give some dubious decision to inter i dont expect the juventus fans to wait so long to call inter cheaters they are cheaters

What the hell does that mean? Experts? since when are there experts on what is a penalty or not a penalty? The only expert should be you. If you think its a penalty or not is what that matters not what some ppl on tv or wherever always looking to sell controversy.

Always some people feel cheated and that the whole world is against them when decisions go against their side and come up with conspiracies and all of that crap but ignore the fact that Trez was offside against Lazio and possibly Siena

The fact of the matter is if you keep playing the offside trap you are dicing with trouble as you are counting on a third party, linesman, to always call in your favour and thats pretty risque

Anyways I always get amused the emotions invested in the match thread as regards this Juventus side.

Firstly from the get go, I have always maintained that this is not a good enough squad even before a ball was kicked in anger so I don't see any reason why i should be upset with whatever they achieve.

The funny thing is that I never expected us to be 3rd considering the calibre of players we have but i guess that has to do with the calibre of seriea as a whole but this team as overachieved as far as I can tell.

If I am going to be brutally honest we have just the 1 world class player in Gigi Buffon and possibly a world class finisher in Trezeguet but apart from finishing he does nothing for me to classify him as a world class player.

Dp and Nedved are excellent players but past their prime and certainly not world class. Camoranesi is another excpellent player that just falls short of world class

I am not gonna waste time going through the list of players but they range form average to good and some poor ones there.

Now some posters are acting like Juventus were not in serieb last season and that we have the divine right to go anywhere and win and if we dont then everyone connceted witht he club has to be shot.

We did not buy this, we did not buy that, forgetting that these guys had to start from scratch to clean up the mess that the so called messiah Moggi left behind.

They possibly had to deal with ppl looking donw their noses as us as we have been labelled cheats whether justified or not is immaterial. Big players and coaches would not have wanted to touch us at the start of the season as the stigma was there.

Also forgetting that we lost Zambrotta arguably the best full back, cannavaro, Mutu,Vieira, Zlatanand Thuram.

I was not enamoured with Capello because he had these players and we still underachieved in Cl and that is why i was negative towards him but Ill be damned if I am gonna label blame on ppl dealing with an inferior squad and still 3rd in the league they were not a part of last season.

Vinman wants Moggi back or misses him and almost everyone is calling for the head of Molinaro.

Can you guys enlighten us at to how many world class left backs Moggi brough to this club?

How great were Mirkovic, Athirson, Paramatti and Jarni? Zambrotta was brought as winger but converted because Lippi had to find a space ofr him since camoranesi was doing so well at right wing.

The only one that we could say was very good is Pessotto and since antonio Cabrini we had been searching for a decent left back, we thought we had found in Andrea Fortunato but he died unfortunately; till we discovered Zambrotta.

Then the subject of Ranieri and playing Nocerino as a right winger, where else would he play him if Tiago, Zanetti, Nedved are all in the side. No, he cannot play there but neither can Gatusso but that is where Gatusso plays for Milan as the centre is populated with Pirlo, Ambrosini, kaka and sometimes seedorf.

But Gatusso manages to get away with it because his teamates are so good they can compensate for his short comings but in Juventus, Nocerino looks bad there cos we dont have that many class players.

Ranieri, was not my first choice and neither was any of the players they brought in as none of them andrade apart did not leave me underwhelmed.

Some were trying to convince me that the likes of Tiago and Almiron were approaching world class like I did not see Tiago play at Chelsea and realise he is just 1 of those players, not a difference maker but a good pro.

I did not see the game so I cannot start to issue blames or whatever and those that do so, have their reasons but remember the calibre of players we have and they cannot suddenly turn into world class materials because they don the black n white of juve

 

[Azzurri7]

Then the subject of Ranieri and playing Nocerino as a right winger, where else would he play him if Tiago, Zanetti, Nedved are all in the side. No, he cannot play there but neither can Gatusso but that is where Gatusso plays for Milan as the centre is populated with Pirlo, Ambrosini, kaka and sometimes seedorf.

But Gatusso manages to get away with it because his teamates are so good they can compensate for his short comings but in Juventus, Nocerino looks bad there cos we dont have that many class players.

Not really, the diff between Gattuso and Nocerino is that Gattuso has improved his passing skills and still improving his passing skills day by day, not to mention his crosses, he can cross the ball at times, of course not as good as Pirlo but still he can.

Nocerino is a good defender has stamina and is one hard worker player, but he should really improve his passing skills and try to take a cross or two during training..... to me it has nothing to do with right winger or CM. The moment he'll have a good vision, thinks fast and pass the ball properly will be the day he's almost a complete player to me.

He needs to work alot. Gattuso has done that, lets see if Nocerino can do that too.

 

[Alen]

Go ahead guys and attack Denco for what he says , but his post is the best one in this topic without a doubt.

I don't like what he says ( i don't like the fact that it's the truth), but it's spot on

 

[Azzurri7]

I'm not attacking his post.

 

[Alen]

I'm not attacking his post.

Looool, i didn't even see you wrote before me so it wasn't about your post, of course

 

[Azzurri7]

Looool, i didn't even see you wrote before me so it wasn't about your post, of course

Ah, thought so. But then saw that there are 3min diff between our posts was like am I really attacking his post?


int:

 

[Alen]

Ah, thought so. But then saw that there are 3min diff between our posts was like am I really attacking his post?


int:

The time needed to read his post and to reply.

 

[Amaurisimo]

The time needed to read his post and to reply.

well denco is right and that is probably the reason why everyone is quiet.

in regards to Tiago, i saw more less every his game while at Chelsea as i was ticket holder, anyway he played well in beginning, but later was subbed, and lost his place in a team. after 1st season he was sold. He had problems with Jose even there were both Portuguese. Later Jose was saying to some Portuguese papers how he misses him, but he never did as he had Essien and other much better players than him.

in regards to our team, i will be very happy if we can finish 3rd or 4th.
Ranieri doing very good job so far, and i will not write what i should do in his place as im not a coach. He knows all why and who and where, and on us is to give full support to everyone at Juve including Tiago, Almiron, and all other 24 players..

 

[ReBeL]

i dont care if you know me or not, as long as u continue to write nonsense

..

 

[Amaurisimo]

u r good Rebel

 

[ReBeL]

u r good Rebel

Look. The time I was spending all my time on forums to fight with assholes like yourself is over now. Now, fuck off, and look for somebody else.

 

[Dostoevsky]

 

[serfaraaz]

What the hell does that mean? Experts? since when are there experts on what is a penalty or not a penalty? The only expert should be you. If you think its a penalty or not is what that matters not what some ppl on tv or wherever always looking to sell controversy.

Always some people feel cheated and that the whole world is against them when decisions go against their side and come up with conspiracies and all of that crap but ignore the fact that Trez was offside against Lazio and possibly Siena

The fact of the matter is if you keep playing the offside trap you are dicing with trouble as you are counting on a third party, linesman, to always call in your favour and thats pretty risque

Anyways I always get amused the emotions invested in the match thread as regards this Juventus side.

Firstly from the get go, I have always maintained that this is not a good enough squad even before a ball was kicked in anger so I don't see any reason why i should be upset with whatever they achieve.

The funny thing is that I never expected us to be 3rd considering the calibre of players we have but i guess that has to do with the calibre of seriea as a whole but this team as overachieved as far as I can tell.

If I am going to be brutally honest we have just the 1 world class player in Gigi Buffon and possibly a world class finisher in Trezeguet but apart from finishing he does nothing for me to classify him as a world class player.

Dp and Nedved are excellent players but past their prime and certainly not world class. Camoranesi is another excpellent player that just falls short of world class

I am not gonna waste time going through the list of players but they range form average to good and some poor ones there.

Now some posters are acting like Juventus were not in serieb last season and that we have the divine right to go anywhere and win and if we dont then everyone connceted witht he club has to be shot.

We did not buy this, we did not buy that, forgetting that these guys had to start from scratch to clean up the mess that the so called messiah Moggi left behind.

They possibly had to deal with ppl looking donw their noses as us as we have been labelled cheats whether justified or not is immaterial. Big players and coaches would not have wanted to touch us at the start of the season as the stigma was there.

Also forgetting that we lost Zambrotta arguably the best full back, cannavaro, Mutu,Vieira, Zlatanand Thuram.

I was not enamoured with Capello because he had these players and we still underachieved in Cl and that is why i was negative towards him but Ill be damned if I am gonna label blame on ppl dealing with an inferior squad and still 3rd in the league they were not a part of last season.

Vinman wants Moggi back or misses him and almost everyone is calling for the head of Molinaro.

Can you guys enlighten us at to how many world class left backs Moggi brough to this club?

How great were Mirkovic, Athirson, Paramatti and Jarni? Zambrotta was brought as winger but converted because Lippi had to find a space ofr him since camoranesi was doing so well at right wing.

The only one that we could say was very good is Pessotto and since antonio Cabrini we had been searching for a decent left back, we thought we had found in Andrea Fortunato but he died unfortunately; till we discovered Zambrotta.

Then the subject of Ranieri and playing Nocerino as a right winger, where else would he play him if Tiago, Zanetti, Nedved are all in the side. No, he cannot play there but neither can Gatusso but that is where Gatusso plays for Milan as the centre is populated with Pirlo, Ambrosini, kaka and sometimes seedorf.

But Gatusso manages to get away with it because his teamates are so good they can compensate for his short comings but in Juventus, Nocerino looks bad there cos we dont have that many class players.

Ranieri, was not my first choice and neither was any of the players they brought in as none of them andrade apart did not leave me underwhelmed.

Some were trying to convince me that the likes of Tiago and Almiron were approaching world class like I did not see Tiago play at Chelsea and realise he is just 1 of those players, not a difference maker but a good pro.

I did not see the game so I cannot start to issue blames or whatever and those that do so, have their reasons but remember the calibre of players we have and they cannot suddenly turn into world class materials because they don the black n white of juve

i dont think we have overachieved seriea is not competitive a league to be honest we are on par with roma and other sides but the difference between juve and inter are the refrees .the refrees are have cost more than 10 points and inter have not got decision against them it is a fact. we dont have squad to challenge inter.tiago should at least be played this sason and at the end of the season it will it be right to label hit or flop

 

[Amaurisimo]

Look. The time I was spending all my time on forums to fight with assholes like yourself is over now. Now, fuck off, and look for somebody else.

It is just a bit of fun, comment here and there..
you see difference in between you and me is that i never said anyone something similar to this. I guess its to do with a lack of intelligence from your side.

 

[Amaurisimo]

Anyway, as its almost 3am here in japan, it would be my time to say good night , and chat tomorrow..Lets hope for a good win tomorrow for sake all of us.

 

[Sarah]

i dont think we have overachieved seriea is not competitive a league to be honest we are on par with roma and other sides but the difference between juve and inter are the refrees .the refrees are have cost more than 10 points and inter have not got decision against them it is a fact. we dont have squad to challenge inter.tiago should at least be played this sason and at the end of the season it will it be right to label hit or flop

Don't you think its ignorant to say that the difference between us and Inter is the referees? I believe we have had some unfair calls but shit happens. Move on. Inter has a strong squad, and it is dumb to think otherwise. We have a potential in our squad and we definitely do not have the same amount of world class players as Inter does. They have amazing squad depth just face it. I hate Inter just as much as the next person here but I mean come on. Lets just play each game and see how things go. Inter will have to begin to lose sooner or later. Let's just not be the fans that put all the blame on the referees.

 

[serfaraaz]

Don't you think its ignorant to say that the difference between us and Inter is the referees? I believe we have had some unfair calls but shit happens. Move on. Inter has a strong squad, and it is dumb to think otherwise. We have a potential in our squad and we definitely do not have the same amount of world class players as Inter does. They have amazing squad depth just face it. I hate Inter just as much as the next person here but I mean come on. Lets just play each game and see how things go. Inter will have to begin to lose sooner or later. Let's just not be the fans that put all the blame on the referees.

thats the same point we cant have squad like inter because juve cant built squad like inter as we need 70-80 million pounds to built as squad capable of winning ucl and scudetto and unless agnelli family dont provide extra money than we will have to play youngsters like molinaro etc.can u remember one season in which juve have won the scudetto in which refrees have been unfair to us.i think refrees mostly have mind block against juve thats why they are giving decisions agianst juve which they might not have done against other side .and the same question have inter got even one unfair decision against them

 

[Sarah]

thats the same point we cant have squad like inter because juve cant built squad like inter as we need 70-80 million pounds to built as squad capable of winning ucl and scudetto and unless agnelli family dont provide extra money than we will have to play youngsters like molinaro etc.can u remember one season in which juve have won the scudetto in which refrees have been unfair to us.i think refrees mostly have mind block against juve thats why they are giving decisions agianst juve which they might not have done against other side .and the same question have inter got even one unfair decision against them

Yes we cannot build a squad like Inter because we do not have the money but that doesn't mean the reason we don't compare is because of referee decisions. Our team is not making the most of the players we have as well as using tactics which don't make sense for the situations at hand. I am sure Inter has had unfair decisions against them this season as well as every other Serie A team. Who cares. Let's work on improving our squad and not placing the blame on others. Juventus is full of talent that we are not utilizing. We should be happy to have won as many games as we have with the quality of football that our team is playing recently. Lets say referees are being 'unfair' to us because of Calciopoli that still isn't a reason to discredit all the mistakes our board and coach are making.