Serie A: Catania vs Juventus [Jan 13 2008] (36 Viewers)

[gsol]

I don’t think it was Juve’s bad rep that kept the squad from signing key players. The reason is far more mathematical than that. What really kept Juve from signing players like Milito this season was the teams’ budget and the lack of European football. Juve’s bad rep didn’t keep World Cup finalists from staying and extending contracts or signing other champions like Iaquinta.

Players aren’t interested now because Juve is getting positive press. Juve is still massacred in the Italian media including their new management. The fact is that the team has proven to be competitive and currently sits in a CL position. That’s why players like VdV want to come.

As far as Moggi keeping people from screwing Juve…eh. I saw calls go against Juve while he was around. They were just balanced out by the calls that favored the team. Now referees are scared shitless when it comes to calling a 50-50 incident in favor of Juve for fear of what the press and the FIGC will say. Had Calciopoli never happened and Moggi left on his own for other reasons I’m fairly certain that Juve still would not have suffered as much as they have so far because the refs would have less fear regarding calling back a close call typ goal like Spinesi’s on Saturday.

 

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[Cronios]

I m not ignoring anything, this year and esp last year, i have been repeating the same words more or less, the prestige and image of a club is a very important factor to the transfer market, but so it is the history and the international value of the club. The position of the club and league and cups is taking part is also a very important factor, thats why i counted out most of the big transfers we were related,
but we all know, that in the end money talks, if we were determined enough to buy any kind of Sissoko and spend those 30 mil on him, he would run like a dog, with his tail between his legs, to our court, all the way from the Anfield.
Him or any other boy at his age tied by a contract.
We are still Juventus and only by our remaining champions and material, we are a safe bet to the top, we will reach there inevitable, soon or later...
Actually we are a safer bet now than ever, for an ambitious player to join us, because we are not filled with world class players anymore and its easier for them to shine and find a starters spot.
We could have found hundreds of players like Tiago, Almiron and Sissoko willing to play in one of the serie A's best teams. There are players better than Molinaro, that would pay their salary to have his chances and be a part of our team.
Just look at what the other Italian teams bellow us have and they cant afford the salary we can, they dont have our history and will never match our ambition.

I agree we cannot tell who really wanted to join us and who declined our offers,
but we sure know that he wasnt offered the right sum,
only players like Lampard and Ballack would decline our offer, if they were offered the right salary. This is how the world of football works.
Our managers have proved that they have no negotiating skills and they cannot take advantage of,
even the "damaged" Juventus image, besides a 22year old Sissoko, they almost failed to convince our very own players to remain and the only reason they finally chose to remain, is our black and white jersey, not our managers skills.
The situation with Neddy+DP+Camo+Chiellini sure did further harmed our image in the transfer market and absorved a great part of our attention.
Who is responsible for this? How often we had such a problem published in the press like that? Would a club like Milan, ever face such a problem?
Even if they would, it would never reach the press and become such laughable as we did! Who had the responsibility for that? Our managers...

Many of the players in the world, admire some of our players and are attracted to our team by them. EX Neddy brought Grygera
VDV expressed his admiration to DP,
if our manager denies to extend his contract and make a media circus about our flag player's contract, then yes, sure, a player who admires DP, would never dare to negociate a better contract with those guys
...because they dont respect anything...
this is how we make a fool of our selves all alone!
There have been many incidents that have proved our manager's incompetence,
we passed on many reliable transfer targets, just because we were idle.
Not any other reason, i can assure you that most of the football players have money as their highest priority. One way or another, Juve would offer them the necessary publicity to go further.
We can invent as many excuses as we wish for the foreign players wills,
but we have also proved our silliness, by the way we have treated our very own material and the player who already had a contract with us, IMO several mistakes have been made, we released and loaned away many players that could have been used as a bargain tool to bring us in a decent back up player at least.
We have started the season with just one reliable CB (Andrade) witch has been proved even more useless than the rest and right now, after the problem has been so painfully obvious, we are still ignoring it... and gamble further more, loaning the 10 mil Criscito away...without signing back any kind of back up...

Only by keeping Balza, Kovac or Tudor and Giovinco instead of Olivera, our team would have been a class better, than it currently is, without any more financial investments or negotiation with players that would refuse to join us...
(Not to mention what a team we could have with Milito or even Barzagli instead of Andrade+Criscito and with Mascherano instead of Tiago+Almiron, we could have signed those players, or similar with the money we already used and they would accept to join us for sure)
These are managerial calls, CHOICES, no excuses here, we have chosen to risk, by signing less reliable solutions and now someone has to take the blame, someone has the responsibility.
If this is not bad management by your standards, look at our situation now and look at our boards reactions, at a period that the transfer window is still open!
What they have done?? NOTHING!!!
...as expected...Why? i have explained why, at the beginning of the season,
they just dont care...

 

[DelpieroForLife]

@gsol: FFS lets not mention the budget issue as we have spent nearly 60m Euro last summer a sum that might bring you even Messi.

 

[gsol]

Cronios I'm not a fan of our current managers nor do I enjoy defending them but to think that only Juve have contract problems isn't realistic. Milan and others surely go through the same problems quietly as they can impose their will on the media in a far more effective manner. Truthfully those responsible for those issues are the player agents who are constantly pissing in their player's ears trying to jack up price tags and therefore their own commission.

I agree that Balza and Almiron were mistakes and that the managers have a lot to learn but even Moggi had contract disputes with Vieri and Davids and even Moggi made mistakes with guys like Samuel and Kaka.

Del PieroforLife I'm not saying they were broke or that they spent wisely but in Milito's case they were outbid by a team that had more liquidity and less rebuilding to do. It all played a factor.

 

[Cronios]

I m not saying that other teams dont have problems, all i m saying is how their managers resolving the crisis without a media circus as we did...

 

[gsol]

I m not saying that other teams dont have problems, all i m saying is how their managers resolving the crisis without a media circus as we did...

That is because Juve have no pull in the media and the media enjoys printing and televising at Juve's expense. I agree it occurs but I think you were blaming the wrong people

 

[Salvo]

right now players wouldnt choose juve. because now CL or even UEFA. but next year they will come because they no we have future stars and our team will be a force again.

 

[denco]

I m not ignoring anything, this year and esp last year, i have been repeating the same words more or less, the prestige and image of a club is a very important factor to the transfer market, but so it is the history and the international value of the club. The position of the club and league and cups is taking part is also a very important factor, thats why i counted out most of the big transfers we were related,
but we all know, that in the end money talks, if we were determined enough to buy any kind of Sissoko and spend those 30 mil on him, he would run like a dog, with his tail between his legs, to our court, all the way from the Anfield.
Him or any other boy at his age tied by a contract.
We are still Juventus and only by our remaining champions and material, we are a safe bet to the top, we will reach there inevitable, soon or later...
Actually we are a safer bet now than ever, for an ambitious player to join us, because we are not filled with world class players anymore and its easier for them to shine and find a starters spot.
We could have found hundreds of players like Tiago, Almiron and Sissoko willing to play in one of the serie A's best teams. There are players better than Molinaro, that would pay their salary to have his chances and be a part of our team.
Just look at what the other Italian teams bellow us have and they cant afford the salary we can, they dont have our history and will never match our ambition.

I agree we cannot tell who really wanted to join us and who declined our offers,
but we sure know that he wasnt offered the right sum,
only players like Lampard and Ballack would decline our offer, if they were offered the right salary. This is how the world of football works.
Our managers have proved that they have no negotiating skills and they cannot take advantage of,
even the "damaged" Juventus image, besides a 22year old Sissoko, they almost failed to convince our very own players to remain and the only reason they finally chose to remain, is our black and white jersey, not our managers skills.
The situation with Neddy+DP+Camo+Chiellini sure did further harmed our image in the transfer market and absorved a great part of our attention.
Who is responsible for this? How often we had such a problem published in the press like that? Would a club like Milan, ever face such a problem?
Even if they would, it would never reach the press and become such laughable as we did! Who had the responsibility for that? Our managers...

Many of the players in the world, admire some of our players and are attracted to our team by them. EX Neddy brought Grygera
VDV expressed his admiration to DP,
if our manager denies to extend his contract and make a media circus about our flag player's contract, then yes, sure, a player who admires DP, would never dare to negociate a better contract with those guys
...because they dont respect anything...
this is how we make a fool of our selves all alone!
There have been many incidents that have proved our manager's incompetence,
we passed on many reliable transfer targets, just because we were idle.
Not any other reason, i can assure you that most of the football players have money as their highest priority. One way or another, Juve would offer them the necessary publicity to go further.
We can invent as many excuses as we wish for the foreign players wills,
but we have also proved our silliness, by the way we have treated our very own material and the player who already had a contract with us, IMO several mistakes have been made, we released and loaned away many players that could have been used as a bargain tool to bring us in a decent back up player at least.
We have started the season with just one reliable CB (Andrade) witch has been proved even more useless than the rest and right now, after the problem has been so painfully obvious, we are still ignoring it... and gamble further more, loaning the 10 mil Criscito away...without signing back any kind of back up...

Only by keeping Balza, Kovac or Tudor and Giovinco instead of Olivera, our team would have been a class better, than it currently is, without any more financial investments or negotiation with players that would refuse to join us...
(Not to mention what a team we could have with Milito or even Barzagli instead of Andrade+Criscito and with Mascherano instead of Tiago+Almiron, we could have signed those players, or similar with the money we already used and they would accept to join us for sure)
These are managerial calls, CHOICES, no excuses here, we have chosen to risk, by signing less reliable solutions and now someone has to take the blame, someone has the responsibility.
If this is not bad management by your standards, look at our situation now and look at our boards reactions, at a period that the transfer window is still open!
What they have done?? NOTHING!!!
...as expected...Why? i have explained why, at the beginning of the season,
they just dont care...

You are missing my point. I am not a fan of the board as I have stated many times and I would not have bought any of the players we bought.

My point is that we are THIRD and who is to say that if we bought players that i like we would have been anywhere near third?

You cannot say that either and that is why its churlish to crap on what they have done so far.

Nope, i was not a fan of the board talking nonsense of Inter as that should be left to fans or Ranieri talking up the game against Inter which took place in nov 4 or so in preseason.

No the negotiations with players like Nedved and Dp were not to my liking but bottomline is that they stayed and neither me or you knows why so you cannot say its because its Juventus afterall Zidane left, Baggio left, Vieri and Davids left so they must have done something right to make these guys stay.

You talk about javier mascherano as if he expressed a great desire to join us. That transfer would have been very messy as it took forever for Manchester United to get Tevez and they are premiership champs and had cl to offer but because of complications as to who actually owns Mascherano and Tevez.

Up till now Liverpool don't own him outright so I dont see how that transfer would have come about with us as we would have to play far too many people.

As for the penalty/offside issues, neither was clear cut or in black and white like some people want you to believe.

By the time the ball was kicked Spinesi was marginally offside and they did say give benefit of the doubt to attacker, did they not? Besides teams that play offside deserve to be punished

As for the Dp incident if you are going to make stupid and unnecessary tackles in the penalty box at that time of a game, you deserve a penalty awarded against your team. Whether he got the ball first or not he still put himself in the position to cost him team a penalty