[Serie A] Bari 3-1 JUVENTUS (December 12th, 2009) (19 Viewers)

jbsal

Junior Member
Jul 25, 2008
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A lot of people here want Juve to lose it seems. Incredible really.
Does anyone honestly think he's gonna be fired one game before the break?

But yeah, let's lose this game & the Catania game as well to "make sure" they fire him. Those 6 points down the drain aren't gonna do us any harm, right?
Except of course when we finish the season in 4th position. That same 4th position which used to mean CL qualification, will now send us to the Europe League.

So, forza Bari I guess...
hmmm - -good point

i think Ferrarra shouldve coached a smaller side first and make mistakes there and learn from it and then coach juve - - - but it s too late for that
 

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SABSAB

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Dec 10, 2008
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http://www.footballitaliano.co.uk/article.aspx?id=851

Club Focus - Juventus - Humiliation is the beginning of sanctification or so they say

By Mina Rzouki

It is a bitter pill to swallow for the Old Lady. Buoyed from her win against despised Inter, she was not allowed to enjoy her moment. In a European game where only a draw would have seen her through to the next stage, she was humiliatingly defeated by Bayern Munich who were on the brink of a total meltdown.



This is a hard piece to write - and a tough one to read - but Juventus did not deserve to go through and something must be done to change things otherwise the fans should get used to referring to their beloved team as merely a club that once was, recounting tales of how Juve used to be legendary. The truth of the matter is no member of Juventus, from the management down to the players, feared defeat on Tuesday night. Losses are now accepted and the loser mentality, once a notion greatly affiliated with the hated Tinkerman, is now a disease that has infiltrated the Turin giants. So let us run though where it all went wrong.


First and foremost the Bianconeri conceded four goals, something unheard of when you’re talking about Italian teams. Great teams are built from the back and that feeble defence, in which the collective age of three of their defenders came to 101, can no longer remain. Giorgio Chiellini was clearly missed and without him Juve did not have the grit or energy to cope with the onslaught of Bayern’s quick and tough attacks. Considering the ages of the centre-backs, it’s bizarre that Ferrara did not think of moving Martin Caceres to the middle and perhaps playing Zdenek Grygera as right-back. Furthermore, in light of Fabio Cannavaro’s obvious difficulty in playing two matches in one week and Nicola Legrottaglie’s ineptitude in defence, why has Ferrara not looked at introducing Lorenzo Ariaudo into the back four this campaign as he awaits the opening of the transfer market? The Old lady needs an injection of pace and youth into her back line and the pensioners need to go. A right-back is essential but frankly, Ciro’s main concern should be finding a speedy centre-back.


Secondly there’s Diego. Whilst he deserved much of the criticism he received on Tuesday due to his inability to hold the ball, the player is still magical and one who most Juve fans want to see included in the line-up, but his talents are not being effectively exploited. He is playing with a horrendous defence who often require his contribution to block the opposition’s offensive play. He is playing neither with a registra, who would allow him to remain in position, nor fast strikers who could latch on to his through balls. And to round it all off, most of Juve’s attacks have come through the wings despite playing a 4-3-1-2 formation that usually requires the ball to be played down the middle, limiting Diego’s contribution. It’s been said before, Diego wasn’t a necessary purchase but since he’s here, they need to make the most of his skills.



This brings us nicely to the third point - Juventus should have reverted to the 4-2-3-1 formation for this game. Considering the fact Alessandro Del Piero is failing to recapture his form and that the defence is ageing, a solid midfield is all Ferrara had and he did not use it to his advantage. Against Inter, a team that is more aggressive than it is speedy, the age of Juve’s attack and defence won’t matter as much and the Bianconeri could grind out a result, but in Europe, when facing a squad that is exceptionally offensive, incredibly quick and desperate to win, you simply do not start a match playing a 4-3-1-2 formation. Juventus needed to attack from the get-go and Ferrara should have sacrificed a few positions to make way for attacking players in the middle. Bearing in mind that Juve initiated most of their attacks on the flanks, Sebastian Giovinco’s pace and Mauro Camoranesi’s technical skills would have perhaps made the difference on the night.


It is also become increasingly hard to defend Ferrara when he is seemingly damaging the little shred of dignity the Old Lady still has. He got his tactics incredibly wrong and admitted so after the match. None of the players seem to understand what is expected of them and all look to pass to Diego when they recover the ball, even if he is surrounded by four defenders. There are many problems the ex-stalwart defender needs to work on, from the obvious such as the dire handling of set-pieces and the lack of chemistry in-between the players, to the difficult such as teaching the team how to switch from offence to defence and then back to offence in an instant. Nonetheless firing the man would be harsh. The players hardly made his job easy on the night as barely any of them played with heart or even tried to win the match for the club. Furthermore, the Management should be made to live with their silly decision to appoint him in the first place. It’s astonishing that a club who so willingly splurged €50m on two signings effectively scrimped when it came to hiring a famous and experienced Coach.


For his own sake, Ferrara needs to learn how to discipline his squad, effectively showing them whose boss and not be scared to bench those who do not perform. This will send a clear message to the squad - defeats will not be tolerated. He should also look to bring in the youth players he so marvellously led in the past. Claudio Marchisio and Giovinco know how to make the difference, perhaps the rest of their young colleagues should be allowed their time to shine. Once Ciro regains a complete squad willing to bleed for the team, then he can concentrate on communicating his tactics to the side. Only then can he begin to make up for his past mistakes.
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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Actually, Bari been really really good this season, mainly at home (and few good away results like against the Milano teams). And mainly their defence, they have conceaded less then all teams except Inter I think (havent scored lot either, winning 1-0 or drawing 0-0 alot, or low scoring losses, with few exceptions).
 

Stephan

Senior Member
Nov 9, 2005
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Mark, what are the chances we will make some heavy changes in the winter transfer market if we fail to win remaining games this year?

Surely they will react earlier.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Actually, Bari been really really good this season, mainly at home (and few good away results like against the Milano teams). And mainly their defence, they have conceaded less then all teams except Inter I think (havent scored lot either, winning 1-0 or drawing 0-0 alot, or low scoring losses, with few exceptions).
This time they'll be without 2 of the back 4 (Ranocchia and Parisi, both suspended).
 
May 22, 2007
37,256
Buffon
Cáceres-Cannavaro-Legrottaglie-Grosso
Marchisio-Poulsen
Camoranesi-Diego-Giovinco
Trezeguet​


Felipe Melo appears to take a casual week off every month.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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Yeah I read, their dynamic CB duo is been their main strenght, plus a hardworking midfield. Too bad one cant see Rannocchia for 90 minutes.
 

El Santo

El Enmascarado de Plata
Nov 26, 2008
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Could this mean he won't be going to the African Cup of Nations?
The African Cup of Nations begins on January 10, so most likely he will be ready for the competition. Hopefully he doesn't get a serious injury over there. :xfinger:



icεmαή;2265536 said:
I don't care if Ciro doesn't get sacked or not. I don't want Juve to lose on my birthday :p
:beer:
 

ZAF3000

Senior Member
Feb 14, 2005
5,348
Buffon
Cáceres-Cannavaro-Legrottaglie-Grosso
Marchisio-Poulsen
Camoranesi-Diego-Giovinco
Trezeguet​


Felipe Melo appears to take a casual week off every month.
I really hope we do not play with your formation... Enough with the one striker formation.. We need two upfront to make space for each other to score..

Manninger/buffon
Caceras legrotaglie cannavaro grosso
Camoranesi poulsen marchisio
Giovinco
Trezeguet Del piero
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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A lot of people here want Juve to lose it seems. Incredible really.
Does anyone honestly think he's gonna be fired one game before the break?

But yeah, let's lose this game & the Catania game as well to "make sure" they fire him. Those 6 points down the drain aren't gonna do us any harm, right?
Except of course when we finish the season in 4th position. That same 4th position which used to mean CL qualification, will now send us to the Europe League.

So, forza Bari I guess...
You don't understand because you don't 'think' like a 'real' fan.
 

Buck Fuddy

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May 22, 2009
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http://www.footballitaliano.co.uk/article.aspx?id=851

Club Focus - Juventus - Humiliation is the beginning of sanctification or so they say

By Mina Rzouki


It is also become increasingly hard to defend Ferrara

For his own sake, Ferrara needs to learn how to discipline his squad, effectively showing them whose boss and not be scared to bench those who do not perform.
Poorly written article if you ask me.


Actually, Bari been really really good this season, mainly at home (and few good away results like against the Milano teams). And mainly their defence, they have conceaded less then all teams except Inter I think (havent scored lot either, winning 1-0 or drawing 0-0 alot, or low scoring losses, with few exceptions).
They started conceding a fair amount of goals recently though.

I hope that we'll want some sort of revenge. It's going to be far from easy though.
 
May 22, 2007
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I really hope we do not play with your formation... Enough with the one striker formation.. We need two upfront to make space for each other to score..

Manninger/buffon
Caceras legrotaglie cannavaro grosso
Camoranesi poulsen marchisio
Giovinco
Trezeguet Del piero
We scored more in games with one striker than with two.
 

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