Serbian Under-21 International Captain: Branislav Ivanovic (13 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

Hello everyone!

I m from Serbia, football lunatic and I can tell you few thgs about Ivanovic.
First of all, I am not Juventus fan, hope it's not gonna be such a problem. Consider me as a neutral consultant ...(Damn, I m starting to speak nebuloses)...:sick:
Anyway, if you get Bane Ivanovic for that 3.5 mils that is rumoured, it might be one of best buys this summer in Europe. Here in Serbia there are only 2 kind of football fans: Red Star fans and Partizan fans. No others. And yes, we like to hail playes that used to played for "our" side. But Ivanovic is different case- he belongs to neather side so you really should consider this as a objective comment.
It is very very hard, almost imposibole for a young player to get attention from foreign club, go outthere, make name and earn money as a young player if he doesn't play in 2 bigest clubs. If you play good and papers start talkin about you in Serbia, next step is Red Star or Partizan where you take some trophys, play in Europen cups and that get sold. Ivanovic didn't go trough step 2 but went straight to Russia (where is big money in game, believe me. I guarantee Russans could buy a lot of stars if these would like to go in "poor" Russia and play weak league in winter conditions most of the year. Maniche is example-he took great amount of money from Dinamo - which is not even in top 3 in Russia and than 4 months later begged and screamed for western Europe clubs to buy him and get him away from Russia). Who knows, if he went in "big 2" he would probably by now be in western Europe.
Ivanovic is great athlete, very strong, brave, great header, by my optinion very good technique for defender and most of all inteligent. Comparing him to Mirkovic is ridicules! He is Maradona him self for Mirkovic Also, very influent player, being capitain whereever he played: OFK Belgarde, Locomotive and last 2 years U21 NT of Serbia. All that by year of 23!
He started as righ back but last years established himself as a central defender. (something like Puyol earlier in his career). CB is, by my optinion, one of the vital parts in team so "promotion" to CB from RB is something like a step forward. Anyway, he can play both positions but as a CB he impresses me!
There was agreement in Serbian NT between coach Javier Clemente and U21 coach that Ivanovic stay in U21 for few more months till past European Championship and now he will become regular member of NT. Ironical, he will be transformed back to old position of RB cause it is long time problem for our NT and there isn't good enough player for RB so Ivanovic will step up. Future is reserved for Vidic-Ivanovic tandem as CB, thats for sure though.
Don't know what else to say, if you wanna know more, ask.
Remember my words, you are not gona regret if you purchase this guy for cheap as 3.5 mils!

Regards from Belgrade!

Thanks for the information and welcome to the forums. It's no problem that you're a supporter of another side here, as we even have Milan fans and even a Bayern fan on these forums.

So which one... Partizan or Crvena zvezda?

 

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[Bjerknes]

Andy, this is very important season for us so we could rely on Criscito or Ivanović . I'm all for buying the Serb, keep him and Criscito in the team and give them a chance from time to time, like Lippi was doing with Tudor. In 2 years time, if they get a fair number of matches for Juve until then, both of them will be ready to play on regular bases.
But its too much to give them starting 11 position in this very important season for Juve.

It's indeed an important season for us, and I agree it's probably too soon to give Criscito a starting role yet. But I do feel that it's very important, especially right now in this rebuilding stage, to buy young talents and invest in the long-term, not just the short term. That's why I say no to a player such as Makelele because chances are, no matter who we buy, we will not win the Scudetto with such a brand new side. Too many people are living in a dream world here.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

It's indeed an important season for us, and I agree it's probably too soon to give Criscito a starting role yet. But I do feel that it's very important, especially right now in this rebuilding stage, to buy young talents and invest in the long-term, not just the short term. That's why I say no to a player such as Makelele because chances are, no matter who we buy, we will not win the Scudetto with such a brand new side. Too many people are living in a dream world here.

so whats the difference in starting ivanovic to criscito, they are either both worth starting or both too inexperienced, only that criscito is accustomed to italian football and ivanovic isnt which for me gives him the edge

 

[Marc]

Criscito is accustomed to Serie B though, if that means anything.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Criscito is accustomed to Serie B though, if that means anything.

better to be accustomed to italian football than not at all, especially if you've already forged a partnership with chiellini at u21 level

 

[Marc]

I guess you´re right on this one.

 

[Firestarter]

Yeah, but Ivanovic was the capitano (which technically means leader) and lead them to the final of the u21. And according to our Juventuz scouts from serbia he's class, so why not.

 

[adelove]

It's indeed an important season for us, and I agree it's probably too soon to give Criscito a starting role yet. But I do feel that it's very important, especially right now in this rebuilding stage, to buy young talents and invest in the long-term, not just the short term. That's why I say no to a player such as Makelele because chances are, no matter who we buy, we will not win the Scudetto with such a brand new side. Too many people are living in a dream world here.

au contraire criscito is not too yung 2 start 4 us.If he is good enuf,then he is old enuf.Fate has handed us a rare opportunity 4 rebuilding..let's not waste it on 30 year old argentine fullbacks

 

[pitbull]

b-ass devil -> as the serbian guy said, Ivanovič is almost regular NT player (till now he have played 3 matches, but im quite sure this was his last U21 championship). Criscito made his debut in U21 in the end of last year. Criscito have played 37 matches in Serie B, Ivanovič have played around 100 matches in Serbian highest league and 50 in Russian Premierleague. I know that west europeans have no doubt about how football is played in east Europe, but at least try to be objective - Serie B < Premierleague. I know, that Juventus have always tried to use italians, but Criscito isnt ready to be starter. Im sure, that he will play next season, but not as first choice Just for you i found Russian bigest club budget this season.

St.Peterburg Zenit - ~70 million$
Lokomotiv Moscow - ~60 million$
CSKA Moscow - 51.4 million $
Spartak Moscow - 50 million $

A.Timoschouk each season earns 3 millions$, A.Arshavin 2.5 millions$ (both Zenit). Can you show me at least one Serie B team, which have stressed, that their budget in next season will be 50 millions or even more?

 

[Badass J Elkann]

b-ass devil -> as the serbian guy said, Ivanovič is almost regular NT player (till now he have played 3 matches, but im quite sure this was his last U21 championship). Criscito made his debut in U21 in the end of last year. Criscito have played 37 matches in Serie B, Ivanovič have played around 100 matches in Serbian highest league and 50 in Russian Premierleague. I know that west europeans have no doubt about how football is played in east Europe, but at least try to be objective - Serie B < Premierleague. I know, that Juventus have always tried to use italians, but Criscito isnt ready to be starter. Im sure, that he will play next season, but not as first choice Just for you i found Russian bigest club budget this season.

St.Peterburg Zenit - ~70 million$
Lokomotiv Moscow - ~60 million$
CSKA Moscow - 51.4 million $
Spartak Moscow - 50 million $

A.Timoschouk each season earns 3 millions$, A.Arshavin 2.5 millions$ (both Zenit). Can you show me at least one Serie B team, which have stressed, that their budget in next season will be 50 millions or even more?

no offence but serie B last season to say the least > serbian league so ivanovic playing 100 games means nothing to me since he is more of a risk to play him in serie A than criscito is.

 

[Alen]

b-ass devil -> as the serbian guy said, Ivanovič is almost regular NT player (till now he have played 3 matches, but im quite sure this was his last U21 championship). Criscito made his debut in U21 in the end of last year. Criscito have played 37 matches in Serie B, Ivanovič have played around 100 matches in Serbian highest league and 50 in Russian Premierleague. I know that west europeans have no doubt about how football is played in east Europe, but at least try to be objective - Serie B < Premierleague. I know, that Juventus have always tried to use italians, but Criscito isnt ready to be starter. Im sure, that he will play next season, but not as first choice Just for you i found Russian bigest club budget this season.

St.Peterburg Zenit - ~70 million$
Lokomotiv Moscow - ~60 million$
CSKA Moscow - 51.4 million $
Spartak Moscow - 50 million $

A.Timoschouk each season earns 3 millions$, A.Arshavin 2.5 millions$ (both Zenit). Can you show me at least one Serie B team, which have stressed, that their budget in next season will be 50 millions or even more?

Comparing serie B to Russian Premier Liga is silly because, like you say, Russian league is superior by far. Teams like CSKA, Spartak and Lokomotiv will always be in top10 in serie A and in a good season they can even make it top4.

But Ivanović playing in a superior league than Criscito doesn't necessarily make him a better player. Strangely , Badass Devil makes a good point this time. Criscito is accustomed to Italian football and he did play with Chiellini, Nocerino and Palladino in youth level. Ivanović will be coming to different country and in a club with higher ambitions than Lokomotiv, so i dont know if he has what it takes to handle the pressure. In Russia he found similar language, similar culture, same religion and similar eastern european football. In Italy everything will be different.

Our coaches must be smart. If we can't keep the two of them, they must look at who is the better player between the two, who will be more useful to us and decide if we will buy Ivanović and loan Criscito or we won't even buy Ivanović at all.
What most of us want is to buy Ivanović, keep Criscito and sell Legro and Boumsong so the youngsters will be the next two in line for cd. But we still need a starter and it isn't likely that Boumsong will leave, so i have doubts that we will have both Ivanović and Criscito in our team.

Ranieri said our mercato is closed and i dont know if we are after Ivanović at all

 

[mackey]

Thanks for the information and welcome to the forums. It's no problem that you're a supporter of another side here, as we even have Milan fans and even a Bayern fan on these forums.

So which one... Partizan or Crvena zvezda?

Crvena zvezda (aka Red Star)...thx for asking

 

[Attilio the Hun]

I hope we are after Ivanovic from that description from Mackey.. We have to take a chance on some good youngsters and a RB/CB leader sounds good to me!

Legro is not on the radar so we will not have to let Crisctico go if this guy comes in.. Think he was just not wanting another assured starter to arrive (like Barzagli or whatever) Defense would be:

Molinaro/Chiellini/Crisctico/Boumsong/Andrade/Zebina/Ivanovic/Birindelli

That looks pretty good no? We need some players to sit on the bench in case of injury! And I'd rather see some youngsters come through as true Juventino then overpay for a Meira or whatever, we have to take advantage of not needing immed CL pedigree this year..

edit: totally forgot Grygera, my bad. Yeah we don't need this guy (!)

 

[pitbull]

Ivanovič is captain in team with 60 million $ budget. Sorry, but you cant deny, that it is impresive in 23 years Im wishing the best for the club and i dont want, that next season some big club makes bigger bid and gets one of the promising defenders in world. And we should sell at least one of our great couple - Legro and Boum
Ranieri said it few weeks ago too, but we continued to hunt defenders. Im praying God, that Ranieri again is saying crap. And im not sure that Ranieri is keen on using our young players, because he have some targets from club must be done and ways how he reach them isnt talked in his contract.

Sry about my poor english, but sometimes i just cant find the right words hope that you got the point

 

[Lion]

agree. And Ivanovic will take time to get used to Serie A, so Criscito can start until Ivanovic is comfortable with the team. Then it's based on who is fit and who is performing better to take that position.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Crvena zvezda (aka Red Star)...thx for asking

Thats my man!

 

[zann]

3.5 mils.
i mean? from the reports, why not?
both criscito and ivanovic could understudy andrade and form 1 of the greatest defensive partnerships in years to come since both have such potential.

they could take turns to play alongside andrade and if the opportunity comes, they could start in a match.
i mean, WHY NOT!?

 

[Bjerknes]

so whats the difference in starting ivanovic to criscito, they are either both worth starting or both too inexperienced, only that criscito is accustomed to italian football and ivanovic isnt which for me gives him the edge

I don't understand what your problem is here. Criscito is a player for the future and it's not like we shouldn't be looking for other players for the future. Criscito is a left-sided player while Ivanovic is right-sided, so what's the problem? It's not like Criscito can play right-back.

And again, as the Serb already stated, Ivanovic is one of the top prospects in Europe, and even Guus Hiddink believes he will be the best defender in Europe. We NEED defensive reinforcements, so are we going to be that stupid to disregard strengthening our entire backline for the future jsut for some misguided reasoning? I mean, Criscito cannot cover the entire defense, you know.

Get rid of Boumsong and Legrottaglie, buy Ivanovic and maybe a short term player, and we shall have:

Andrade
Birindelli
Chiellini
Criscito
Grygera
Molinaro
Zebina
Ivanovic
(perhaps a short term signing)

What is wrong with that? From what we've seen anyway, Ivanovic might even be a better option than Zebina for right-back.

Then in another 2-3 years we'll have something like this:

xxx - Ivanovic - Criscito(Chiellini) - Molinaro(Chiellini)
That looks mighty good to me.

 

[Bjerknes]

au contraire criscito is not too yung 2 start 4 us.If he is good enuf,then he is old enuf.Fate has handed us a rare opportunity 4 rebuilding..let's not waste it on 30 year old argentine fullbacks

Well, then lets start Criscito and not buy another, older player for centerback.

However, I still think we should buy players for the future, which is exactly why we have Criscito.

I agree with you about the rebuilding by the way.

 

[Bjerknes]

Crvena zvezda (aka Red Star)...thx for asking

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