Same Sex Marriage (19 Viewers)

[swag]

But we're shaving semantic hairs here. A society that evolves to having to address things like dowries, land inheritance, and the like is naturally going to add complexities to something that was much simpler in more primitive times. To call that a creation of religion is a leap, though.

A public commitment ceremony by any other name becomes a wedding, and a socially-recognized monogamous relationship/commitment becomes a modern day marriage once you add the trappings of civic order and civilization.

 

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[flieeeekke]

i think we have a double ban here, because fli told me he banned the guy as well :toast:

he wasnt ban apparently. well he is now. and i thought that 7 days wasnt enough so he is gone for good. :toast:

 

[JCK]

he wasnt ban apparently. well he is now. and i thought that 7 days wasnt enough so he is gone for good. :toast:

You have high standards int:

 

[Elvin]

YES to lesbians

NO to buttyboys

 

[d.nico]

I say NO. But if someone wants to do that, they are free to do that. That's their life, they are free to choose any way in their life as long as it doesn't harm anybody else.

 

[Chxta]

Wow. Just reminiscing yesterday, and the thread comes back...

Way to go Erik!

 

[GordoDeCentral]

But we're shaving semantic hairs here. A society that evolves to having to address things like dowries, land inheritance, and the like is naturally going to add complexities to something that was much simpler in more primitive times. To call that a creation of religion is a leap, though.

A public commitment ceremony by any other name becomes a wedding, and a socially-recognized monogamous relationship/commitment becomes a modern day marriage once you add the trappings of civic order and civilization.

aah but it's not, we are not faced with a chicken/egg instance, rather a shot at the core of all social existence: the Oath. From allegiance to marriage, religion was was vital to its introduction and continuation. Moreover marriage as an insitution does indeed pride itself in complexities you mentioned above.

Nowadays, obviously we are less concerned with survival (hence the disappearance of those complexities), but even then i just dont see a homosexual union bringing the same kind of social benefits a traditional one would.

 

[3pac]

I say NO. But if someone wants to do that, they are free to do that. That's their life, they are free to choose any way in their life as long as it doesn't harm anybody else.

No, but let it happen? I don't understand how this post makes any sense.

 

[Zé Tahir]

No, but let it happen? I don't understand how this post makes any sense.

Don't be a smart ass, it makes perfect sense. He's personally against same sex marriage, but he doesn't want to impose his personal beliefs onto others, hence he isn't against people who want to get married with someone of the same sex.

 

[Seven]

aah but it's not, we are not faced with a chicken/egg instance, rather a shot at the core of all social existence: the Oath. From allegiance to marriage, religion was was vital to its introduction and continuation. Moreover marriage as an insitution does indeed pride itself in complexities you mentioned above.

Nowadays, obviously we are less concerned with survival (hence the disappearance of those complexities), but even then i just dont see a homosexual union bringing the same kind of social benefits a traditional one would.

Which was why religions needed an institute such as marriage and why a homosexual marriage would be downright insulting to many people.

 

[3pac]

Don't be a smart ass, it makes perfect sense. He's personally against same sex marriage, but he doesn't want to impose his personal beliefs onto others, hence he isn't against people who want to get married with someone of the same sex.

So he isn't against people wanting to do it, but is against them doing it? I'm not being a smartass, I do not understand how that works.

 

[swag]

aah but it's not, we are not faced with a chicken/egg instance, rather a shot at the core of all social existence: the Oath. From allegiance to marriage, religion was was vital to its introduction and continuation. Moreover marriage as an insitution does indeed pride itself in complexities you mentioned above.

Nowadays, obviously we are less concerned with survival (hence the disappearance of those complexities), but even then i just dont see a homosexual union bringing the same kind of social benefits a traditional one would.

Not that Wikipedia is the end-all authority on the subject by any means, but FYI:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage

History

Most marriages in Europe were common law marriages until the Council of Trent convened 1545–1563. Thereafter, a marriage was only legal in Roman Catholic countries if it were performed by a priest of the Roman Catholic Church. This was not accepted in the newly Protestant nations of Europe, of course; nor by Protestants who lived in Roman Catholic countries or their colonies in the Americas or elsewhere; nor by Eastern Orthodox Christians.

Nevertheless, all Protestant and Eastern Orthodox countries in Europe eventually abolished "marriage by habit and repute", with Scotland being the last to do so, in 2006. Scotland had long been the sole exception in Europe.

Not to mention:

The essential distinctions of a common law marriage are:

1. Common law marriages are not licensed by government authorities.
2. Common law marriages are not necessarily solemnized.

 

[d.nico]

So he isn't against people wanting to do it, but is against them doing it? I'm not being a smartass, I do not understand how that works.

Sorry maybe my english is so bad.

I am going to make my oppinion clear.

I, my self don't want to marry a male. I am not comfortable at all with that. I would say no if want to kiss me and give me $1000 for that .
But if you love your boy friend so much and he also love you, and you want to marry your boyfriend, I will respect your decision. Because that is your life. You opt to do that, and maybe you will happy to do that, then why i shoul sad because of that.

Is this clearer? :toast:

 

[Slagathor]

Wow. Just reminiscing yesterday, and the thread comes back...

Way to go Erik!

What'd I do deserve that praise?

 

[flieeeekke]

because you're gay? :undecide:

 

[Elvin]

hmm I am still confident that people are not born gay.

Wanna discuss this shit?

 

[/usr/bin]

hmm I am still confident that people are not born gay.

Wanna discuss this shit?

Oh, you're so going down

 

[Mr. Gol]

hmm I am still confident that people are not born gay.

Wanna discuss this shit?

That's going into the eternal discussion of genes versus influence of the outside world. People have discussed for ages if family members are alike because they share the same genes, or because they have spent so much time together. The truth is probably a mix of both.

 

[Slagathor]

hmm I am still confident that people are not born gay.

Wanna discuss this shit?

Why don't you try to stop liking girls, then get back to me

 

[Seven]

hmm I am still confident that people are not born gay.

Wanna discuss this shit?

It doesn't even matter. Whether someone is born gay or becomes gay through education doesn't change the fact he's gay.