Same Sex Marriage (18 Viewers)

[Elvin]

Why don't you try to stop liking girls, then get back to me

I'll think about it

PS I also wonder why all the gay people are really smart

Don't wanna sound pathetic, but most of them are really sharp minded eh (at least the ones I know are)

 

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[Slagathor]

I'll think about it

PS I also wonder why all the gay people are really smart

Don't wanna sound pathetic, but most of them are really sharp mided eh (at least the ones I know are)

Oh trust me, you were just lucky meeting the smart ones

 

[Elvin]

 

[Lilianna]

i say yes to the marriage,but a big NO to adoption.

 

[Mr. Gol]

i say yes to the marriage,but a big NO to adoption.

What exactly is the logic in that

 

[mikhail]

What exactly is the logic in that

It's quite reasonable. Adoption affects a third party - the child.

Anyone ever seen a study on the effects of having a gay couple as your parents? I'd be quite interested in reading one.

[disclaimer: not saying I'm for or against here, just looking for info.]

 

[Elvin]

What exactly is the logic in that

No wonder you have that avatar

 

[V]

No wonder you have that avatar

 

[Slagathor]

It's quite reasonable. Adoption affects a third party - the child.

Anyone ever seen a study on the effects of having a gay couple as your parents? I'd be quite interested in reading one.

[disclaimer: not saying I'm for or against here, just looking for info.]

The problem is that the only way to study this particular social phenomenon is by allowing it first. To that extent only the Netherlands has records and researches that are fairly trustworthy but even here the problem is the length of the records which isn't very long yet given gay marriages have not been legal for a period of time that would allow for in-depth studies (meaning a period spanning at least several decades, at least 25 years but in the ideal situation spanning two or three generations).

So far studies show that children raised from a very young age (from birth or slightly after) by gay parents do not have a higher chance of being gay themselves than children raised by a heterosexual couple. Studies regarding the effect of having gay parents on the mental health of the child are completely unreliable at this point and need not be mentioned. It's simply too soon to tell whether society's standards and other barriers pioneers in any social field face have a negative or positive influence on children adopted by gay couples.

A phenomenon that has been studied for many years already and is quite more common, namely artificial insemination, is worth mentioning but fairly unrelated to the above topic. Ie. if one of the gay parents (I'm going to take a male couple as example for clarity's sake) has a child with a woman through artificial insemination, the child will grow up with two fathers in a gay household.

It is commonly accepted that children growing up in these situations are no different in any way from children growing up in traditional heterosexual households. However, these studies bare little to no importance in comparison to adoption by a gay couple because the child was often carried by a woman who has a good relationship with the gay couple in question, meaning the child usually ends up having a good relationship with its biological mother throughout his childhood and further life.

 

[Elvin]

You're thinking of having a kid sometime, Erik?

To be honest I really feel kinda sorry gor fay people, life (i mean moral and social life) is really not adopted for everyone yet.

You see these 2 days changed my mind about gay people, as my new HP is gay (he's Eric too lol), I'm mean being gay is probably that guy's the only minus in life IMO lol

Anyways... Good like to gay people

Peace...

 

[Slagathor]

You're thinking of having a kid sometime, Erik?

Not really no, I'm only 23 and haven't even finished my studies yet so if you don't mind the only things I'll be thinking about for the next few years are travelling and having fun

 

[Elvin]

Not really no, I'm only 23 and haven't even finished my studies yet so if you don't mind the only things I'll be thinking about for the next few years are travelling and having fun

So you actually got a life? :wth:

Just kidding, man

 

[Slagathor]

Yeah I know... I've been active a lot the past months cause I'm writing my thesis :groan:

since i have the attention span of a goldfish, I write for about an hour then hit the internet again for 15 minutes. It's all very pathetic

 

[mikhail]

The problem is that the only way to study this particular social phenomenon is by allowing it first. To that extent only the Netherlands has records and researches that are fairly trustworthy but even here the problem is the length of the records which isn't very long yet given gay marriages have not been legal for a period of time that would allow for in-depth studies (meaning a period spanning at least several decades, at least 25 years but in the ideal situation spanning two or three generations).

So far studies show that children raised from a very young age (from birth or slightly after) by gay parents do not have a higher chance of being gay themselves than children raised by a heterosexual couple. Studies regarding the effect of having gay parents on the mental health of the child are completely unreliable at this point and need not be mentioned. It's simply too soon to tell whether society's standards and other barriers pioneers in any social field face have a negative or positive influence on children adopted by gay couples.

A phenomenon that has been studied for many years already and is quite more common, namely artificial insemination, is worth mentioning but fairly unrelated to the above topic. Ie. if one of the gay parents (I'm going to take a male couple as example for clarity's sake) has a child with a woman through artificial insemination, the child will grow up with two fathers in a gay household.

It is commonly accepted that children growing up in these situations are no different in any way from children growing up in traditional heterosexual households. However, these studies bare little to no importance in comparison to adoption by a gay couple because the child was often carried by a woman who has a good relationship with the gay couple in question, meaning the child usually ends up having a good relationship with its biological mother throughout his childhood and further life.

That's cool. I wasn't thinking about the child's later sexual orientation though. If you accept that gay is okay, you can hardly deny gay people the right to adopt on those grounds, at least short of a ten-fold increase or something (if then).

I can't think of any obvious detrimental mental health issue that might arise anyway - and certainly nothing of even equal magnitude to other common problems with parents (some people are really not fit for anything but forced sterilisation and a restraining order keeping them from entering a building with children in it. :wink:), but I like to be thorough.

 

[Slagathor]

That's cool. I wasn't thinking about the child's later sexual orientation though. If you accept that gay is okay, you can hardly deny gay people the right to adopt on those grounds, at least short of a ten-fold increase or something (if then).

I can't think of any obvious detrimental mental health issue that might arise anyway - and certainly nothing of even equal magnitude to other common problems with parents (some people are really not fit for anything but forced sterilisation and a restraining order keeping them from entering a building with children in it. :wink:), but I like to be thorough.

Some people shouldn't be parents indeed.

Regarding mental health issues: the biggest concerns currently (in NL at least) appears to be surrounding what the children have to face at school. Do they get bullied around the playground because they're from an un-orthodox household? It seems to only happen in a few isolated incidents on the countryside so far but it's a concern I suppose... Of course if the family lives in a community where they aren't accepted, the child is unlikely to make a lot of friends or be invited to birthday parties etc.

Then again bullying is something many children have to face no matter what their background...

 

[mikhail]

I'm not sure I'd accept that as an argument against letting someone adopt. I mean, kids from poor families get bullied sometimes, right? So we don't let poor people adopt? Absurd suggestion, right?

Oh, just thought of this:

 

[Slagathor]

I'm not sure I'd accept that as an argument against letting someone adopt. I mean, kids from poor families get bullied sometimes, right? So we don't let poor people adopt? Absurd suggestion, right?

Well I agree with that but the conservatists like to spin it in a different direction.

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[Seven]

I'm not sure I'd accept that as an argument against letting someone adopt. I mean, kids from poor families get bullied sometimes, right? So we don't let poor people adopt? Absurd suggestion, right?

Not really. The whole point behind adoption is giving the children a fair chance. So why send them to a poor family?

Unless you were talking about poor, but not that poor.

 

[mikhail]

Not really. The whole point behind adoption is giving the children a fair chance. So why send them to a poor family?

Unless you were talking about poor, but not that poor.

You're missing the point. I was talking about a kid's future purceived social standing as argument against letting someone adopt. Obviously, a family that can't afford a kid shouldn't be given one [unless it's cheaper (or more beneficial to the kid) to subsidise them than to run the orphanage, but that's another deal].

 

[3pac]

Sorry maybe my english is so bad.

I am going to make my oppinion clear.

I, my self don't want to marry a male. I am not comfortable at all with that. I would say no if want to kiss me and give me $1000 for that .
But if you love your boy friend so much and he also love you, and you want to marry your boyfriend, I will respect your decision. Because that is your life. You opt to do that, and maybe you will happy to do that, then why i shoul sad because of that.

Is this clearer? :toast:

Yes, this makes much more sense. I am actually of the same opinion. I'm not personally gay, however I have absolutely no problem with other people going through with gay marriages. I say good for them.