Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (73 Viewers)

[radekas]

Not that the russian mentality is a complex one but evidently up until now the west tried to stop the russian with diplomacy.

I think the problem is that we refer to the "west" like it's a monolith. Poles and eastern europe understand the russian mentality and more importently the danger but I dont think it translates as well as you say to the rest of the west. Or worse, they were willing to close thier eyes to it for other gains.

Your PM himself called out the west several times.

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-morawiecki-extreme-right-antisemite-ban-lgbt-people/

With the last part I agree.

That was kind of my point. The cheap tuz-Zalayeta tried to tell us that west will never understand russia etc. but parts of the west do understand and it's not like we are keeping that knowledge to ourselves. Other parts of the west didn't listen before but they do now and they too understand what russians are more and more with each Bucha, each Kramatorsk, each Mariupol.

And my other point was that there is no rocket science in understanding russian ancient-mongolic ways of life.

 

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[Elvin]

That was kind of my point. The cheap tuz-Zalayeta tried to tell us that west will never understand russia etc. but parts of the west do understand and it's not like we are keeping that knowledge to ourselves. Other parts of the west didn't listen before but they do now and they too understand what russians are more and more with each Bucha, each Kramatorsk, each Mariupol.

And my other point was that there is no rocket science in understanding russian ancient-mongolic ways of life.

Yep. Mongolic ways is the word

Except the Mongols evolved, while Russians remained barbaric.

 

[Post Ironic]

No, the fact that you people cannot even handle someone saying that Russia using currency manipulation is something against international trade rules. Since none of you have something better to do in their lives, you need to discuss obvious things, and worst, think that someone is defending Russia just for saying something obvious like capital controls and exchange rate restrictions are going to soften the impact of a crisis in the short-term, especially for the Russian oligarchs.

I don’t care the reason why Russia invaded Ukraine. They did and that’s it. Nor Russians will accept West point of view, nor West will accept Russian point of view. Now we are trying to discuss the consequences of such invasion, but is hard with people who barely know how to count. That’s why this thread is completely unreadable, because you only want to insult. You did with me, with the serb, and you even did it with Tomice who thinks exactly the same as you in everything lol

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I’m not discussing this. I’m literally saying that there is no need of discussing it so we are trying to discuss the consequences of the war and of economic measures taken by Russia. But since many of you want to discuss and insult, i’m on the need of reaffirming what was already affirmed. If I said that the Russians are not accepting West views (therefore, backing the war) and a guy comes and tell me that I am the dumb of the week, well then I have to post again that Russians are backing the war lol

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Ask the New York Times, not me

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Sorry, she/he. I won’t hurt your feelings again.

You really are the biggest dumbass in this thread. I’m loving all the backtracking you’re doing on all the earlier bullshit you were spewing, my darling Putin apologist. Shameless and embarrassing.

 

[Tomice]

Offcourse there are different entities: i mean come on man.

To clarify im talking about mass media here: obviously you will find smaller independent papers/sites that give a more nuanced view or a different angle.

You seem to always arrive at these same apologetic conclusions regarding the west and the powers that be and i really dont understand why (forgive me if i confuse you with someone else, but i think we discussed this before). We have been defending our own murdering, raping and pillaging for years.

i dont endorse Russian imperialism or Putins mad conquest in Ukraine, but i dont need to close my eyes to Western hypocrisy either. Lets get real.

i also find the instructive tone in your response interesting, since i myself work in a media/house company and see the obvious bias every single day at work in a western European Nato country

I think maybe you and ALC under different circumstances would be much closer to agree.

There is a scale to things. the Russians machine turned it up to eleven so the discussion becomes polarized. Even at their worst, when the west is directly involved or the initiator like Afghanistan, Iraq ect. you would still have more diversity of opinion even if I agree with you that most of the mass media totally toes the establishment line.

Now the gap is even more pronounced, and hence the discussion more polarized, since there is even less uniformity in opinion in western mass media due to more diversity of interests and lack of direct involvement.

 

[Post Ironic]

the second part makes no sense at all to me.

but to the first part, you have to realize the media in the west is not one entity. There’s different sources and media here. They all have their own agendas but it’s not all one like it is in places like Russia. So therefore, it’s not comparable at all

Yep. Even in the American mainstream media. I can find opposing opinions on everything. I can find criticism of every decision the government makes, domestic or foreign.

I mean, even here in Canada, our government-funded CBC, that conservatives here spend endless time complaining about being super “leftist” spends much of their time shitting on our liberal government and bashing our left-wing NDP party. And if I want to find just mindless ranting and raving about all things liberal, and Trudeau derangement syndrome, the post media group is Canada’s biggest news organization by a margin.

But apparently, this is just like the Kremlin and Russia state backed propaganda. No better lol.

 

[Tak!]

Within a few years Putin will die from cancer, who will take over? No source, just my assumption. Is it Medvedev? Can the next leader keep it together? I think Russians should be more worried about what's to come rather than what's happening.

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[JuventusUruguay]

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You really are the biggest dumbass in this thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

 

[DAiDEViL]

Was civil in here until the Uru showed up.



I blame the west for his behaviour.

 

[JuventusUruguay]

Well, I haven´t say anything out of this world, just that Russia was using currency manipulation and that Russians do support this war. But well, if you are so sad because of that, I will leave this thread alone and let you be happy in your dreams. Quote me again when Putin is overthrown

 

[Vlad]

Downvote button was a nice feature

 

[ALC]

Offcourse there are different entities: i mean come on man.

To clarify im talking about mass media here: obviously you will find smaller independent papers/sites that give a more nuanced view or a different angle.

You seem to always arrive at these same apologetic conclusions regarding the west and the powers that be and i really dont understand why (forgive me if i confuse you with someone else, but i think we discussed this before). We have been defending our own murdering, raping and pillaging for years.

i dont endorse Russian imperialism or Putins mad conquest in Ukraine, but i dont need to close my eyes to Western hypocrisy either. Lets get real.

i also find the instructive tone in your response interesting, since i myself work in a media/house company and see the obvious bias every single day at work in a western European Nato country

What is mass media?

the western be Russian media could not be further apart and you’re blind if you can’t see that.

Everything the government does here is criticized, good luck doing that in Russia without being punished

 

[IliveForJuve]

Downvote button was a nice feature

Shame that it was the reason @DAiDEViL ended up blocking me. We went into a senseless dislike war.

 

[campionesidd]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/world/europe/russia-putin-support-ukraine.html

“The public’s endorsement of the war lacks the patriotic groundswell that greeted the annexation of Crimea in 2014. But polls released this week by Russia’s most respected independent pollster, Levada, showed Mr. Putin’s approval rating hitting 83 percent, up from 69 percent in January. Eighty-one percent said they supported the war, describing the need to protect Russian speakers as its primary justification.”

Sorry, boy. You are part of the 10% of Russians who supports West point of view. Since in statistics we cannot use only one person as a sample, we can say that Russians are backing the war. So yes, Russians don’t accept West point of view. And we are talking about an independent pollster btw. Before we start discussing what is propaganda and what is not lol.

shut the fuck up retard. Go fap to Putler on some Russian propaganda shithole. You are not welcome here. Vaffanculo pezzo di Merda.

 

[Cerval]

Next 2 weeks could have important impacts for the EU's political landscape. If Le Pen gets elected, Russia would gain from it

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Idk, maybe I missed it but I don't remember Uruguay saying anything crazy.

 

[radekas]

I simply can't put my head around Le Pen winning election in France. That country is so fucked up.

 

[duranfj]

It’s incredible how they are all alike. They look for news that support their ideology, try to force it by making as much noise as possible, is they don’t succeed, they play the intolerance/mean people card

There are opinions and there are facts. Russia is wrong, there’s not middle ground there, if you say something to look “neutral”. You’re just a dumb useless Russia apologist… of course no everything is bad, you can find even in the evil something to talk in favor “oh well, Hitler loved his dogs”… nonsense!

 

[Vlad]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/world/europe/russia-putin-support-ukraine.html

“The public’s endorsement of the war lacks the patriotic groundswell that greeted the annexation of Crimea in 2014. But polls released this week by Russia’s most respected independent pollster, Levada, showed Mr. Putin’s approval rating hitting 83 percent, up from 69 percent in January. Eighty-one percent said they supported the war, describing the need to protect Russian speakers as its primary justification.”

Sorry, boy. You are part of the 10% of Russians who supports West point of view. Since in statistics we cannot use only one person as a sample, we can say that Russians are backing the war. So yes, Russians don’t accept West point of view. And we are talking about an independent pollster btw. Before we start discussing what is propaganda and what is not lol.

Can you find a single media outlet in Russia that is criticizing their invasion or calling it a war? Its nonsensical that you are trying to equate media in a country where journalists or opponents of current regime are prosecuted, jailed or poisoned with hundreds of media outlets at the west that regularly criticize their governments and walk free. Do you think genocide in Bucha was propaganda? Russians that are against the war are too afraid to participate in any polls so any survey coming from Russia lacks credibility, since anyone expressing opposing view would risk a jail time.

 

[Post Ironic]

Shame that it was the reason @DAiDEViL ended up blocking me. We went into a senseless dislike war.

Didn’t we have one of those too at some point. I still love you tho, even though you have haemorrhoids.

 

[Vlad]

It’s incredible how they are all alike. They look for news that support their ideology, try to force it by making as much noise as possible, is they don’t succeed, they play the intolerance/mean people card

There are opinions and there are facts. Russia is wrong, there’s not middle ground there, if you say something to look “neutral”. You’re just a dumb useless Russia apologist… of course no everything is bad, you can find even in the evil something to talk in favor “oh well, Hitler loved his dogs”… nonsense!

Putin appologists should move to Russia to fully enjoy all the benefits. They can visit gulags for recreation. Some manual labor would do wonders for them.