Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (101 Viewers)

GiocataGrande

Commendatore
May 26, 2016
4,073
You can’t be serious
100% serious.

The media in the West has been normalizing, suger coating and actively encouraged our slaugthers abroad (often where brown/black/asian people tend to be the on the receiving end of it for some strange reason). No conspiracy theory needed for that one.

Thats not even mentioning how the Media actively worked together with slave owners and European settlers in molding peoples opinion on it and making it somewhat tolerable. Dark stuff
 
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Jul 7, 2018
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100% serious.

The media in the West has been normalizing, suger coating and actively encouraged our slaugthers abroad (often where brown/black/asian people tend to be the on the receiving end of it for some strange reason). No conspiracy theory needed for that one.

Thats not even mentioning how the Media actively worked together with slave owners and European settlers in molding peoples opinion on it and making it somewhat tolerable. Dark stuff
So you have chosen death
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,542
100% serious.

The media in the West has been normalizing, suger coating and actively encouraged our slaugthers abroad (often where brown/black/asian people tend to be the on the receiving end of it for some strange reason). No conspiracy theory needed for that one.

Thats not even mentioning how the Media actively worked together with slave owners and European settlers in molding peoples opinion on it and making it somewhat tolerable. Dark stuff
the second part makes no sense at all to me.

but to the first part, you have to realize the media in the west is not one entity. There’s different sources and media here. They all have their own agendas but it’s not all one like it is in places like Russia. So therefore, it’s not comparable at all
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,860
It's fake numbers, how you can't understand simple things about Russia, it's total autocracy, people don't answer those type of questions, and how does they are scared to say something against Putin

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Why they don't post the information about how many people REFUSED to answer? Real Dummy
true, the overarching conclusion of this sociology study is that from the time when having a different opinion on the "special military operation" was turned into a criminal offense, polls are useless because people are afraid to answer.
https://www.dorussianswantwar.com/en

before that they had 22% of the Russians against the war, 40% in the age group 18-29 and 30% in the age group 30-41. People like you are a minority due to propaganda succeeding and due to a large portion of Russians being assholes, but surely the sane part isn't just 10%.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,897
You can’t be serious
That's my exact reaction on quite a few posts in this thread. Wait, who am I kidding, in other threads as well.
The confusing thing is that they usually are serious.

I mean, there's nothing wrong with having different opinions or playing devil's advocate every once in a while, but some people are just absolutely deluded. It's a shame, but it is what it is.
 

GiocataGrande

Commendatore
May 26, 2016
4,073
the second part makes no sense at all to me.

but to the first part, you have to realize the media in the west is not one entity. There’s different sources and media here. They all have their own agendas but it’s not all one like it is in places like Russia. So therefore, it’s not comparable at all

Offcourse there are different entities: i mean come on man.

To clarify im talking about mass media here: obviously you will find smaller independent papers/sites that give a more nuanced view or a different angle.

You seem to always arrive at these same apologetic conclusions regarding the west and the powers that be and i really dont understand why (forgive me if i confuse you with someone else, but i think we discussed this before). We have been defending our own murdering, raping and pillaging for years.

i dont endorse Russian imperialism or Putins mad conquest in Ukraine, but i dont need to close my eyes to Western hypocrisy either. Lets get real.

i also find the instructive tone in your response interesting, since i myself work in a media/house company and see the obvious bias every single day at work in a western European Nato country
 
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Juventino[RUS]

Senior Member
Mar 9, 2006
29,039
Putin and Lavrov should be tried at the International Criminal Court in The Hague, says German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier. According to him, the punishment for the crimes committed in Ukraine should be borne by all those who are responsible for them.
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
And that's new since when? It was already discussed here how and why russians support it. Your idea that west will never understand russians has one basic flaw. The current "west" includes countries that have been in the soviet block like my Poland. And you can be sure that we fully understand the russian point of view, because it has been fed to us for decades if not centuries. It doesn't mean that it somehow magically makes any fucking sense. Russian are russians and have been the same russians since at least the XVI century. The only thing that changes are the tsars and their official titles.
Not that the russian mentality is a complex one but evidently up until now the west tried to stop the russian with diplomacy.

I think the problem is that we refer to the "west" like it's a monolith. Poles and eastern europe understand the russian mentality and more importently the danger but I dont think it translates as well as you say to the rest of the west. Or worse, they were willing to close thier eyes to it for other gains.

Your PM himself called out the west several times.

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-morawiecki-extreme-right-antisemite-ban-lgbt-people/

With the last part I agree.
 
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j0ker

Capo di tutti capi
Jan 5, 2006
22,892
Putin and Lavrov should be tried at the International Criminal Court in The Hague, says German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier. According to him, the punishment for the crimes committed in Ukraine should be borne by all those who are responsible for them.
This 180° change of policy from ze Germans is refreshing, but still they will need least a decade from moving away from Russian dependency.
 

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