Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (69 Viewers)

[Knowah]

Kiev existed before Moscow did tho.

Russia can’t decide about the territorial integrity of Ukraine, that’s simply the case tho. Doesn’t have much to do with the US.

Did you mean to reply to me? Nothing you have said relates to anything I said.

 

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[Juventino[RUS]]

Kiev existed before Moscow did tho.

Russia can’t decide about the territorial integrity of Ukraine, that’s simply the case tho. Doesn’t have much to do with the US.

Or when imbecile Putin says "slavs should be together" bruh Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, N. Macedonia, Montenegro, Croatia, Poland, Bosnia are all in the EU why don't you try to invade them?

 

[U Picciriddu]

Historic event during this war.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

 

[Elvin]

You'd think Europe and the US would've learned their lesson with WW2 that appeasing an aggressive nation WHO TELLS YOU WHAT THEY WANT does not give the results you're looking for. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of many within modern politics who truly believe there is always room for diplomacy with everyone.

That is simply not the case. What's the phrase, some people just want to watch the world burn? I don't think it's a burning world but some people just want to use their power to accrue more power. And no amount of appeasement (seen as weakness and thus used to accrue more power) or diplomacy (seen as weakness as they use it to delay and to confirm to the diplomats that they are willing to talk while they seize power elsewhere) works with people in these mindsets.

Across Europe, America, and most of the world, nations who don't necessarily always think of using their power for territorial gains believe everybody thinks the same and everybody feels the same. This is simply false. Also, I blame the American thought process concerning diplomacy on the US being a relatively new nation. The US cannot fathom how a nation with a thousand years of history on the same lands feels or thinks. The US cannot fathom how Russians view Ukrainians and the lands of Kiev and the lands that their pagan ancestors fought over and ruled as tribes 1300 years ago feel. And because the US cannot fathom this thought process of TRUE history, the US believes that everybody is okay with the modern nation states and modern borders.

This is so naive, it truly is American.

Lol. No shit not everyone is OK with current borders but that's where the evolved part comes into play. Russians just failed to evolve. These are the borders now, get over it, you stupid fucking cunts.

 

[Knowah]

Lol. No shit not everyone is OK with current borders but that's where the evolved part comes into play. Russians just failed to evolve. These are the borders now, get over it, you stupid fucking cunts.

100% Russian hasn't evolved. And that's kind of the point. EU/US nations think everybody thinks the same as them. They think diplomacy will win because they approach Putin and Russian and any other aggressive nation as coming from the EU/US mindset and its just not the case.

 

[Tomice]

You'd think Europe and the US would've learned their lesson with WW2 that appeasing an aggressive nation WHO TELLS YOU WHAT THEY WANT does not give the results you're looking for. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of many within modern politics who truly believe there is always room for diplomacy with everyone.

That is simply not the case. What's the phrase, some people just want to watch the world burn? I don't think it's a burning world but some people just want to use their power to accrue more power. And no amount of appeasement (seen as weakness and thus used to accrue more power) or diplomacy (seen as weakness as they use it to delay and to confirm to the diplomats that they are willing to talk while they seize power elsewhere) works with people in these mindsets.

Across Europe, America, and most of the world, nations who don't necessarily always think of using their power for territorial gains believe everybody thinks the same and everybody feels the same. This is simply false. Also, I blame the American thought process concerning diplomacy on the US being a relatively new nation. The US cannot fathom how a nation with a thousand years of history on the same lands feels or thinks. The US cannot fathom how Russians view Ukrainians and the lands of Kiev and the lands that their pagan ancestors fought over and ruled as tribes 1300 years ago feel. And because the US cannot fathom this thought process of TRUE history, the US believes that everybody is okay with the modern nation states and modern borders.

This is so naive, it truly is American.

Preach

 

[Elvin]

100% Russian hasn't evolved. And that's kind of the point. EU/US nations think everybody thinks the same as them. They think diplomacy will win because they approach Putin and Russian and any other aggressive nation as coming from the EU/US mindset and its just not the case.

Yes. It's another reason the US didnt realize they had to finish them off completely back in 1991.

They have to be finished off this time. Otherwise abother midget fuck head will do all this all over again...

 

[Tomice]

There’s a difference between all other reasons and that one particular one: all others justify the invasion based on homeland security, while historical claim, is, well, a historical claim.

It true. I dont think he aims to annex west ukrain cause of inability to do so, not lack of want.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Yes. It's another reason the US didnt realize they had to finish them off completely back in 1991.

Yeah and then all the nuclear weapons would fall into the hands of the god knows who

 

[Tomice]

As I said, if he was tuz member you would brand him a putin apologist and NATO blamer

 

[Elvin]

Yeah and then all the nuclear weapons would fall into the hands of the god knows who

Denecluarization had to be done too of course.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Denecluarization had to be done too of course.

That's the problem - if the USSR fell apart into 100 small states, then there would be 100 times harder to control all the nuclear weapons

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As I said, if he was tuz member you would brand him a putin apologist and NATO blamer

wtf

 

[U Picciriddu]

That's the problem - if the USSR fell apart into 100 small states, then there would be 100 times harder to control all the nuclear weapons

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wtf

Maybe we can make them sign some treaty, territorial integrity in exchange for the nukes

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Maybe we can make them sign some treaty, territorial integrity in exchange for the nukes

yep, the West should have held Yeltsin by the throat and force him to carry out democratic reforms but instead they've let him rule in his own environment of kleptocrats

 

[campionesidd]

As I said, if he was tuz member you would brand him a putin apologist and NATO blamer

There’s playing devil’s advocate, and there’s being an annoying troll just to rile people up. While you were on the former side initially, you’ve clearly slid to the latter.

 

[Knowah]

yep, the West should have held Yeltsin by the throat and force him to carry out democratic reforms but instead they've let him rule in his own environment of kleptocrats

Western arrogance.

They thought the fall of the USSR would open Russia so much that democracy was unavoidable and guaranteed. Just like Germany opening up leading to modern Germany.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Russia at Plan C now. Plan A (blitzkrieg) and B (surrounding the big cities) clearly didn’t work. Against all odds, immense work by the people of Ukraine!

 

[Ronn]

It true. I dont think he aims to annex west ukrain cause of inability to do so, not lack of want.

We may never know, but I honestly can’t read the minds of dictators so sometimes when they say something that doesn’t immediately benefit them I believe it.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

@s4tch


Appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive
He understands only one language - action
And he respects only one word - force
No sign of them stopping, no time for back channel communiques
We need all the help we can get, air strikes and invasions!
Retaliate. I say!

The will of good men can not counter the terrible strain of war