Yeah lol, My country media loved him. He gave some classic interviews back then
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It seems Putin has sent the notorious "Wagner Group" to Ukraine. Disgusting filth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group
Yeah, man. It was totally right to drop 30.000 depleted uranium bombs on us, leaving more than 10.000 tons of DU, to show how righteous they are while killing 3000 people of which 80 were kids. Increasing the cancer death rate by 30% is also a great human thing they did, simply incredible and well put plan. Operation "Merciful Angel" has totally the right name. Also very humble to write "happy easter" on one of the bombs when they dropped it.
Oh Im not arguing that theyre not crooks. But its madness to suggest that any of those countries shouldve been bombed or invaded. And that is exactly the issue with the US/NATO countries - we were in bed with Saddam and are in bed with regimes as bad or worse than those.
INB4 whattaboutism lolol. This has nothing to do with Ukraine, it has to do with Rus’ justification of western military operations with a +1 million bodycount that for some reason are justified
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INB4 whattaboutism lolol. This has nothing to do with Ukraine, it has to do with Rus’ justification of western military operations with a +1 million bodycount that for some reason are justified
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And it is 100% whataboutism which was incidently "invented" by the soviets.
The end game for Putin is pretty straightforward and quite feasible:
1. Replace the current regime with a pro-Russians regime
2. Finalize the annexation of Crimea by forcing Ukraine to relinquish claim
3. Force Ukraine to acknowledge independence of the 2 people republics in the south
4. Bonus point if he can annex some parts of eastern Ukraine with significant pro-russain population
For me to classify him as crazy I think it should be clear that he wasn't aware of the consequences of his actions, just like in a textbook definition of crazy in a criminal case.
Some of the points you made above are just the costs he is willing to pay for the above goals. Whether that makes him crazy or not I think is debatable and not necessarily a forgone conclusion. Would a normal/stable leader of a western and liberal country accept those costs knowingly? never, but Putin/Russia is neither.
For the rest we need to remember the Tyrant/depots always have and always will have significant undelaying mental/psychological issues and conditions. A well balanced person does not become a tyrant, or stays one if he is.
1. Replace the current regime with a pro-Russians regime
2. Finalize the annexation of Crimea by forcing Ukraine to relinquish claim
3. Force Ukraine to acknowledge independence of the 2 people republics in the south
4. Bonus point if he can annex some parts of eastern Ukraine with significant pro-russain population
For me to classify him as crazy I think it should be clear that he wasn't aware of the consequences of his actions, just like in a textbook definition of crazy in a criminal case.
Some of the points you made above are just the costs he is willing to pay for the above goals. Whether that makes him crazy or not I think is debatable and not necessarily a forgone conclusion. Would a normal/stable leader of a western and liberal country accept those costs knowingly? never, but Putin/Russia is neither.
For the rest we need to remember the Tyrant/depots always have and always will have significant undelaying mental/psychological issues and conditions. A well balanced person does not become a tyrant, or stays one if he is.
is it a feasible endgame though? i mean on the long run only a very few countries will acknowledge the legitimacy of that government or the independence of those two regions in question, eu sanctions will still apply, any kind of partnership with the west is 100% finished, ukraininan people will forever hate the russians even more and any critical situation (economic crisis, pandemic, shortage of supplies, anything) might bring a civil war, etc.
it might be a short term solution but it's 100% not sustainable.
it might be a short term solution but it's 100% not sustainable.
It's feasible, the question as you mentioned is whether it's sustainable. But the sustainability of this is not dependent on his actions but actions of the west. From his point of view looking at Georgia, Crimea in 2014, Chechnya, then why not? Thankfully the west response this round is much more decisive, but from past experience he got away with this before
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/mar/12/warcrimes.milosevictrial
"Milosevic, who presided over wars and slaughter in which more than 250,000 people died, was found dead in his prison cell yesterday - cheating justice for a final time."
How many more would have been killed if Milosevic was still at power?
"In 1999, it was estimated that 488–527 Yugoslav civilians died as a result of NATO bombing"
Every death is a tragedy, but it's not even possible to compare of what Milosevic and co. was doing against NATO bombings
"Milosevic, who presided over wars and slaughter in which more than 250,000 people died, was found dead in his prison cell yesterday - cheating justice for a final time."
How many more would have been killed if Milosevic was still at power?
"In 1999, it was estimated that 488–527 Yugoslav civilians died as a result of NATO bombing"
Every death is a tragedy, but it's not even possible to compare of what Milosevic and co. was doing against NATO bombings
Jesus Christ. You're learning history from newspapers and justifying bombing and depleted uranium. I'll leave it at that.
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I will also add that you need to look at Chechnya case again. Russian actions over there where 10 times worse then in Ukraine, Russia leveled complete cities, tens of thousands of dead in two wars. 20 years later the Chechens are sending death squads into Ukraine.
For autocratic countries and leaders it is never about the people (theirs or not), it all starts and ends with the regime. It is the main prism autocratic countries view the world and what people should understand when judging their actions.
For autocratic countries and leaders it is never about the people (theirs or not), it all starts and ends with the regime. It is the main prism autocratic countries view the world and what people should understand when judging their actions.
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