Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (80 Viewers)

[JuveE46]

That “proof lol” statement kind of Daei Jan Napoleonized the whole discourse

Ok Ghasem you believe what you want lol

 

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[Fab Fragment]

Bro, most people dont give a shit about Middle East. It's just the way it is and will be for a long long time. Better just accept it and move on.

As per your logic, since Azerbaijan is ruled by an authoritarian regime, I assume your life is expendable and unimportant as well?

 

[Ronn]

Ok Ghasem you believe what you want lol

Ta ghabr a a a a lol

 

[Post Ironic]

The issue here is not who does or doesn't care about middle east the issue is truth. Most people nowadays don't have the mental capacity to read between the lines and rely on fabricated history and what is dictated which in itself is not a fault but wanting to see things a certain way with a closed mind is a fault.

Sure dude. You know the real truth, everyone else doesn’t. Those are some strong red pills you been popping lol

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Ok Ghasem you believe what you want lol

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36431160

Kinda like how Lenin was actually sent by the Germans in 1917 to get the Russians out of war, fatal mistakes

 

[s4tch]

guys, guys. we still have time:

 

[Ronn]

guys, guys. we still have time:

Even nuclear weapons don’t buy you respect in this world. Sigh.

 

[Post Ironic]

That “proof lol” statement kind of Daei Jan Napoleonized the whole discourse

No one is even arguing that the UK and US didn’t do all sorts of shitty, awful things in Iran for a long period of time. But kinda seems ridiculous to pull the whole UK and US engineered plot to overthrow friendly Iran Shah and chose Ayatollah Khomeini and his death to the west as a replacement lol

 

[JuveJay]

guys, guys. we still have time:

Is he going to send his second best unit into Ukraine now?

 

[Post Ironic]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36431160

Kinda like how Lenin was actually sent by the Germans in 1917 to get the Russians out of war, fatal mistakes

Everyone knows America engaged with Khomeini before he took power and tried to establish friendly relations going forward. This isn’t a secret. It was pretty clear by that point the Shah was finished.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Everyone knows America engaged with Khomeini before he took power and tried to establish friendly relations going forward. This isn’t a secret. It was pretty clear by that point the Shah was finished.

Im not debating who engineered what, but without us blessing Khomeini doesn't go back. Same with Lenin and the Germans. Both fatal mistakes.

 

[Ronn]

No one is even arguing that the UK and US didn’t do all sorts of shitty, awful things in Iran for a long period of time. But kinda seems ridiculous to pull the whole UK and US engineered plot to overthrow friendly Iran Shah and chose Ayatollah Khomeini and his death to the west as a replacement lol

Khomeini came into power amid a huge popular support. If US and UK could do social engineering in that scale then kudos. I’m skeptical though. I blame our forefathers and their moment of madness, especially those with leftist tendencies.

 

[JuveE46]

Sure dude. You know the real truth, everyone else doesn’t. Those are some strong red pills you been popping lol

No you do lol sitting your ass in Canada or wherever the fuck arguing with a guy from there who was born christian and lived there, whose parent served in military under shah and uncle served under Islamic republic...the hundreds of thousands who fled among politicians, celebrities gov personnel with first hand information on how it all fell and who weakened the system and helped overthrow it by the use of religious fanatics..the thousands you counted in the square lol...yeah you know buddy a keyboard warrior with access to Wikipedia

 

[Post Ironic]

No you do lol sitting your ass in Canada or wherever the fuck arguing with a guy from there who was born christian and lived there, whose parent served in military under shah and uncle served under Islamic republic...the hundreds of thousands who fled among politicians, celebrities gov personnel with first hand information on how it all fell and who weakened the system and helped overthrow it by the use of religious fanatics..the thousands you counted in the square lol...yeah you know buddy a keyboard warrior with access to Wikipedia

Yes, being there means you know exactly what the UK and US were doing. Sure dude. No one is saying you, well your family doesn’t have first hand experience on the ground there, but claiming that gives you better insight into UK and US government policies at the time is laughable.

 

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[Elvin]

As per your logic, since Azerbaijan is ruled by an authoritarian regime, I assume your life is expendable and unimportant as well?

It's not. But I totally understand Westerners who don't give a shit about it as much, same way I don't give a shit about Afghans, but would care a lot if Turks were dying.

It's all relative man, you can't expect people to care equally about everything.

 

[JuveJay]

Might even have been the English one.

 

[Post Ironic]

Im not debating who engineered what, but without us blessing Khomeini doesn't go back. Same with Lenin and the Germans. Both fatal mistakes.

Oh I definitely agree with this. This one is a good read on how the UK very early on attempted to switch sides after it appeared clear the Shah’s regime wouldn’t survive. And how they continued to work with the Khomeini government far longer than others after.

But it also shows that in 1978 they initially tried very much to help the Shah put down the demonstrations and uprisings before they realized it wasn’t possible.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opini...n-revolution-expediency-arms-and-secret-deals

@Ronn

A year before the revolution, in April 1978, then Conservative opposition leader, Margaret Thatcher, visited Tehran and described the Shah as “one of the world’s most far-sighted statesmen” who had given Iran “dynamic leadership” and is “leading Iran through a twentieth century renaissance”.
A few months later, James Callaghan’s Labour government secretly agreed to the Shah’s request to supply 175,000 CS gas canisters and up to 360 armoured personnel carriers to Iran to help the regime put down growing demonstrations against it.
By October 1978, with unrest in Tehran threatening the regime, Callaghan wrote: “I would not give much for the Shah’s chances,” and told his foreign secretary, David Owen, to “start thinking about reinsuring”, meaning to develop contacts with opposition figures.
By December, officials concluded that the Shah’s survival was unlikely and that Iran seemed on the verge of a revolution. Foreign Office officials then argued for Britain to completely switch its support to the Iranian opposition, though the declassified files do not state which figures.

 

[Fab Fragment]

Initially, I thought that Putin was just an evil thug. But, I'm beginning to think that he has paranoid schizophrenia as well. The way he sits far away from other people etc. Wouldn’t be surprised if he decided to use a nuke.

 

[JuveE46]

Yes, being there means you know exactly what the UK and US were doing. Sure dude. No one is saying you, well your family doesn’t have first hand experience on the ground there, but claiming that gives you better insight into UK and US government policies at the time is laughable.

stick to discussing shit you know this isn't one of them trust me.
Keep sitting there reading fabricated shit as the victors would want you to believe but is far from truth.
Thatcher and Carter quotes praising the shah is supposed to be some kind of truth compass? Lol It's called politics, what happens behind the scenes is not shown in news for you to read today..there's a reason it's called "behind the scenes"..people who've lived there, who have had nieghbors disappear arent relaying shit from the news they were there.