Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (71 Viewers)

DAiDEViL

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Feb 21, 2015
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Before this war started I had an image of Russian army being insanely modern. They always trying to show how strong they're blah blah blah and from the footage I've seen they use so much outdated stuff, like tanks from 1990. Their army seems to be full of disorganized and not well trained young soldiers too.
Really? Idk, but that's how I saw them all the time. Strenght in numbers, but outdated and god knows how many vehicles that don't even work anymore...
 

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s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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Before this war started I had an image of Russian army being insanely modern. They always trying to show how strong they're blah blah blah and from the footage I've seen they use so much outdated stuff, like tanks from 1990. Their army seems to be full of disorganized and not well trained young soldiers too.
their army is both shitty and state of the art at the same time. this is from a few weeks ago: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ic-technology-then-other-countries-sped-past/ there are similar articles since years already as they are ahead of the us/nato when it comes to hypersonic missiles. they wouldn't be easy to defeat if it came to a total warfare. what they showed so far in ukraine is barely scratching the surface. and they can outnumber most armies, brute force was always their strength.

btw those old tanks and vehicles still do the trick. it's their logistics that mostly failed them so far. their operations in syria were better planned.
 

JuveE46

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Dec 6, 2015
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Thanks for adding a totally irrelevant wall of text to this discussion.
You are welcome I hope I didn't take up too much precious time although you can just skip it's easy.

Not totally irrelevant though the same flags who are silent now while Ukrainians are being killed and issue only ultimatums while there is an illegal invasion going on, are the exact same ones who installed a terrorist supporting regime in Iran for thier own gains.
In this case they don't do shit to help because there is nothing to gain and fuck helping people when there is nothing to gain. Assets first human rights second.
 

Tomice

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Mar 25, 2009
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Before this war started I had an image of Russian army being insanely modern. They always trying to show how strong they're blah blah blah and from the footage I've seen they use so much outdated stuff, like tanks from 1990. Their army seems to be full of disorganized and not well trained young soldiers too.
They don't bring out the rust buckets on their red army parade.

The Russian army strength, beside numbers, was always artillery and ballistics. They had decent jets in the 90's, early 2000's but they fell behind.
They were always poorly trained and badly equipped, probably the most underfunded army compared to its size. They can still level Ukraine if they decide to go ham.

I'm also sure nepotism didn't help in regards to the commanding ranks personal
 

Strickland

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You are welcome I hope I didn't take up too much precious time although you can just skip it's easy.

Not totally irrelevant though the same flags who are silent now while Ukrainians are being killed and issue only ultimatums while there is an illegal invasion going on, are the exact same ones who installed a terrorist supporting regime in Iran for thier own gains.
In this case they don't do shit to help because there is nothing to gain and fuck helping people when there is nothing to gain. Assets first human rights second.
I thought China and India are completely silent right now, no? US is doing quite a lot.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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You are welcome I hope I didn't take up too much precious time although you can just skip it's easy.

Not totally irrelevant though the same flags who are silent now while Ukrainians are being killed and issue only ultimatums while there is an illegal invasion going on, are the exact same ones who installed a terrorist supporting regime in Iran for thier own gains.
In this case they don't do shit to help because there is nothing to gain and fuck helping people when there is nothing to gain. Assets first human rights second.
Bro, most people dont give a shit about Middle East. It's just the way it is and will be for a long long time. Better just accept it and move on.
 

JuveE46

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Dec 6, 2015
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I thought China and India are completely silent right now, no? US is doing quite a lot.

China and India never claimed they were there to liberate the people of Kuwait and Iraq and Afghanistan and African countries and the rest in history when they were really there for oil and diamond mines. I'm talking about the ones that claim to be the defenders of human rights.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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China and India never claimed they were there to liberate the people of Kuwait and Iraq and Afghanistan and African countries and the rest in history when they were really there for oil and diamond mines. I'm talking about the ones that claim to be the defenders of human rights.
Tibet would like to have a word, no country in the world has nearly as many territorial disputes as china. Real politik is what matters, any rational person would rather be occupied by muricans than the Chinese.
 

JuveE46

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Dec 6, 2015
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Bro, most people dont give a shit about Middle East. It's just the way it is and will be for a long long time. Better just accept it and move on.
The issue here is not who does or doesn't care about middle east the issue is truth. Most people nowadays don't have the mental capacity to read between the lines and rely on fabricated history and what is dictated which in itself is not a fault but wanting to see things a certain way with a closed mind is a fault.
 

Strickland

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May 17, 2019
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China and India never claimed they were there to liberate the people of Kuwait and Iraq and Afghanistan and African countries and the rest in history when they were really there for oil and diamond mines. I'm talking about the ones that claim to be the defenders of human rights.
I understood from your post that you were talking about US, yes. I just think if we want to blame any major countries for being passive here, to me its India and China. US, Japan, all of Europe have taken rather strong position against, to the point Moscow Exchange is taking a vacation.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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The issue here is not who does or doesn't care about middle east the issue is truth. Most people nowadays don't have the mental capacity to read between the lines and rely on fabricated history and what is dictated which in itself is not a fault but wanting to see things a certain way with a closed mind is a fault.
Humans are emotional beings. No such thing as true objectivity.
 

Ronn

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"Theories" loll I don't give two fucks what Carter claimed on the surface that fucking snake..they didn't want stability in the region, they wanted chaos and for there to be conflict between the Arabs and Israel.
...not 20-30 I said 20-30% and did you count them at azadi square one by one? Wtf you talking about?? Thousands of people? So what? Thousands are how many percent of total 40 million?

This (Iran) is one of those things in life where you know little and are unaware that you know next to nothing about.

What the victor or the ones in charge of power tries to reflect as "history" is not necessarily relevant to reality, to those who have lived it "history" is often merely an index, a timetable, but to know exactly what happened requires alot deeper study than what high school level textbook you read.
Shah had major influence in OPEC and influence over important members (including on a personal level not only diplomatic influence) including Kuwait and Saudi Arabia as in setting the price per barell, and as in OPEC accounting for roughly %40 of world fuel production including gas and also with OPEC countries being in possession of over %70 of the entire petroleum fuel reserve on this planet.
The west decided it's best to install an illiterate extremist regime which tortures it's own people and funds terror, in place of a smart Austria raised and educated king (who started being more outspoken and whose footage actually exists of him saying in English on BBC, I will not let the blue eyed take anymore from Iran for next to nothing) for big-big savings and control over Iran and as a consequence the region, plus much more, such as precious metals at dirt cheap prices. Russia is eating at the same table too now by the way interestingly..


Shah didn't merely claim it was the west, it's a well known fact Iran has long been under UK influence since before they installed him in place of his father.. they (UK/US) easily exiled the shahs father and installed his young son in 1941 along with Russia, but then later they found out he had his own ideas and won't submit and he had to go away in 1979.
Not going to get into it here but it's first hand account vs. some essay you read/news heard so I'll leave it at that..
Where is there proof of anything in history other than what the victor dictates?

The "pilot" that accompanied Khomeini when he entered by plane from France and can be seen on video was a CIA agent. Can I go above the head of CIA and prove that? No so I guess I'm wrong and you and "history" know it all.

Proof loll where havent dirty Saxons stuck thier nose in? If one wants to fall back on history then let's see what they have been up to going back a dozen centuries. Not going to get into it here but it's first hand account vs. some shit you read/heard so I'll leave it at that. I'll let those who've actually suffered and been to such places come forward and say the rest.
Proof? Actions throughout history speak louder than words.

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That “proof lol” statement kind of Daei Jan Napoleonized the whole discourse
 

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