Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (279 Viewers)

BayernFan

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Feb 17, 2016
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No, it is completely different - Germany is populated by Germans, while Russia consists of hundred different nations/ethnicities.
Yes, but Germany is a newly created state from an European time periode of history. Germany was unified as late as 1871.

The creation of the German Empire was also what caused so much unrest in Europe from the late 1890's until 1945.

The old Soviet empire was consisting of many people who wasn't Russians by nationality, but that isn't much the case after the collapse of the Union in 1991.

Anyway, my point is that dividing up a country that has been around for so long ain't something you just do and I'm also not sure it would be a good idea. There's a reason the Allies quickly abandoned the idea with Germany, and Germany is one of the youngest unified states in Europe.

Think about how difficult it would be to carve up Russia and the consequenses it would have. I'm much more for the idea of Russia changing as a unified state, although I know that this is not gonna happen anytime soon.

It seems the Russian people likes a guy like Putin.... If they have this need for a dictator and don't understand the democracy of the West then it will take generations still.
 

Mokku

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Apr 17, 2019
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Putin isn't the only madman, there is a philosophy among those in power pushing for the same outcome. It's like when the Taliban took charge a day after the US left, they've gone back to their old ways in an instant. The problem is deeper and it needs a civilian uprising rather than other countries interfering.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Yes, but Germany is a newly created state from an European time periode of history. Germany was unified as late as 1871.

The old Soviet empire was consisting of many people who wasn't Russians by nationality, but that isn't much the case after the collapse of the Union in 1991.

Anyway, my point is that dividing up a country that has been around for so long ain't something you just do and I'm also not sure it would be a good idea. There's a reason the Allies quickly abandoned the idea with Germany, and Germany is one of the youngest unified states in Europe.

Think about how difficult it would be to carve up Russia and the consequenses it would have. I'm much more for the idea of Russia changing as a unified state, although I know that this is not gonna happen anytime soon.

It seems the Russian people likes a guy like Putin.... If they have this need for a dictator and don't understand the democracy of the West then it will take generations still.
Russia has been around in its current borders by sheer force, forced assimilation and literally nothing else, no unifying idiology.

The only bullshit "idiology" Putin's team could come up with is "Russkiy Mir" (Russian World). The term Russkiy doesnt even apply to 1/3rd of the population of Russia itself, let alone Ukraine.
 
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campionesidd

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Mar 16, 2013
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Yes, but Germany is a newly created state from an European time periode of history. Germany was unified as late as 1871.

The creation of the German Empire was also what caused so much unrest in Europe from the late 1890's until 1945.

The old Soviet empire was consisting of many people who wasn't Russians by nationality, but that isn't much the case after the collapse of the Union in 1991.

Anyway, my point is that dividing up a country that has been around for so long ain't something you just do and I'm also not sure it would be a good idea. There's a reason the Allies quickly abandoned the idea with Germany, and Germany is one of the youngest unified states in Europe.

Think about how difficult it would be to carve up Russia and the consequenses it would have. I'm much more for the idea of Russia changing as a unified state, although I know that this is not gonna happen anytime soon.

It seems the Russian people likes a guy like Putin.... If they have this need for a dictator and don't understand the democracy of the West then it will take generations still.
Yeah, Russia is one of the older sovereign states in the world.
 

radekas

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I just don't see how it would be possible to carve up Russia, and I'm also not sure it's a good idea.

But just like Germany needed to be put in their place, the same goes for the Russians these days. They need a serious beating one way or another.
It actually would be quite easy as Russia already has 22 autonomus republics, 4 autonomous regions and 1 oblast. It's a federation, remember that.

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    Even if you are the biggest Putin ding dong smoker in the world, you have to admit that this war is one of the most idiotic things you'll ever witness, just based on economics. A country with a population of 140 million people is going to wake up today with their currency docked at least another 50%, if they're lucky. So even if everyone can get their money out of the bank, it's basically going to zero. How is this a strategic win for Putin? Is NATO only holding Rubles or something? :lol:

    Now they're stopping foreign investors from selling securities, which is a fantastic way to destroy confidence even further.


     

    Post Ironic

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    Even if you are the biggest Putin ding dong smoker in the world, you have to admit that this war is one of the most idiotic things you'll ever witness, just based on economics. A country with a population of 140 million people is going to wake up today with their currency docked at least another 50%, if they're lucky. So even if everyone can get their money out of the bank, it's basically going to zero. How is this a strategic win for Putin? Is NATO only holding Rubles or something? :lol:

    Now they're stopping foreign investors from selling securities, which is a fantastic way to destroy confidence even further.


    Isn’t this pretty much a self-sanction? You probably understand what this causes much better than me.

     

    AFL_ITALIA

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    Even if you are the biggest Putin ding dong smoker in the world, you have to admit that this war is one of the most idiotic things you'll ever witness, just based on economics. A country with a population of 140 million people is going to wake up today with their currency docked at least another 50%, if they're lucky. So even if everyone can get their money out of the bank, it's basically going to zero. How is this a strategic win for Putin? Is NATO only holding Rubles or something? :lol:

    Now they're stopping foreign investors from selling securities, which is a fantastic way to destroy confidence even further.


    @Juventino[RUS] @Alex-444 @Bisco

    Good luck guys, I'm sorry that you have to go through this.
     
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    Bjerknes

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    Isn’t this pretty much a self-sanction? You probably understand what this causes much better than me.

    Preventing selling in this manner is basically just an attempt to cushion the blow. They know it will destroy confidence in their markets, but they probably think that at least they can have a controlled demolition of their stawks instead of everything going to zero overnight. It's purely a banana republic move.
     

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