Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (296 Viewers)

campionesidd

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I do see your point that the US wouldn´t have liked having Russian or Chinese troops along their Canadian or Mexican borders.

But I saw the recent CNN interview with the NATO secretary general. Ukraine actually applied for NATO membership back in 2008, he wouldn´t answer why they were never let in all these years. In others words NATO been scared of Putin all along, and Ukraine were never going to get in anyways. So I don´t quite see Putin´s NATO argument here.

Also, what are the benefits here from Putin´s point of view (I´m not suggesting you support him, just to get an understanding)? Even if he inserts a puppet regime he´ll be stuck with sanctions and damaged political relationships which will harm the Russian people.

And Yanukovych was a Putin puppet and the Ukrainian people got rid of him so I don´t see how a new regime would survive either.
The NATO argument was always a red herring. I have three words for anyone who brings up Ukraine and NATO: Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
 

Post Ironic

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You are not completely wrong. The 1979 revolution in Iran and change of it's system of ruling from it's thousands of year old monarchy system, to ayatollahs of today (who are the biggest funder of terrorism) was done by the west. Masterminded by the UK and supported by US. This was mainly due to the shah not willing to sell petroleum at dirt cheap prices among other things. Since then they have been emptying the mines of Iran.
What? It was the exact opposite. The 1953 overthrow of the fledgeling Iranian democracy under Mossadegh and return of the Shah was orchestrated by the US and UK because of Iran wanting to have more control their oil resources. Iran had been one of the more progressive nations in the region at the time.

The Shah’s dictatorship was overthrown in 1979 by popular uprising due to his brutal regime that the west turned a blind eye to because he was pro-west. It had zero support from the west. Unfortunately the Iranian secular intellectuals bought into Khomeini’s promises and populist appeal and allied with the religious scholars, only after realizing they had been duped into exchanging bad for worse.

You’re confusing the two.
 
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JuveE46

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What? It was the exact opposite. The 1953 overthrow of the fledgeling Iranian democracy under Mossadegh and return of the Shah was orchestrated by the US and UK because of Iran wanting to have more control their oil resources. Iran had been one of the more progressive nations in the region at the time.

The Shah’s dictatorship was overthrown in 1979 by popular uprising due to his brutal regime that the west turned a blind eye to because he was pro-west. It had zero support from the west. Unfortunately the Iranian secular intellectuals bought into Khomeini’s promises and populist appeal and allied with the religious scholars, only after realizing they had been duped into exchanging bad for worse.

You’re confusing the two.
That's what you think, you can copy paste all you want, I know from experience of generations and also living there myself and speaking the language.
Not like the English cunts or the rest will admit to it, not like history dwells on the truth, it never has... but thats what happened. Or do you think a bunch of peasants came out and over threw a king, a power to be reckoned with in the mideast, while only 20-30 of people were involved in the so called "protests". Please man, my parents lived it and saw it.
Members here can't say much, it's a risk to say shit like that when from there online..also of what goes on there now.. but it's no secret.
 

Post Ironic

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That's what you think, you can copy paste all you want, I know from experience of generations and also living there myself and speaking the language.
Not like the English cunts or the rest will admit to it, not like history dwells on the truth, it never has... but thats what happened. Or do you think a bunch of peasants came out and over threw a king, a power to be reckoned with in the mideast, while only 20-30 of people were involved in the so called "protests". Please man, my parents lived it and saw it.
Members here can't say much, it's a risk to say shit like that when from there online..also of what goes on there now.. but it's no secret.
What? I blame the US and UK almost entirely for the current state of Iran because of overthrowing Mossadegh in 1953 and bringing back the Shah. But that doesn’t change the fact America was a massive supporter of the Shah and investor in the country and he was the cornerstone of their security policies in the region.

Jimmy Carter was literally toasting the Shah’s Iran as “an island of stability in a turbulent corner of the world” less than a year before the revolution. Khomeini blessed the student takeover of the US embassy and even called it Iran’s second revolution because it purged moderate elements from the government, consolidated clerical rule, and completely fractured relations with America.

Sure there are conspiracy theories that the British planned it, and the Shah claimed to his dying day it was because he took control of the oil away from international oil companies but do you have proof that it was a British plot? Could it be possible? Sure I suppose. But most other American and British backed coup d’états of that era have long since been exposed as such, why no evidence still of this one?

And what do you mean by 20-30 people only in the protests? I’ve seen videos and photos of thousands of people in the streets, Azadi square, etc during the demonstrations.
 
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    Once again, Rubio is the vice chair of the senate intelligence committee. I don't think this is fear mongering. Putin just suicide bombed his own economy.



    Interesting read here.


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    General Ruskie: "Commandant Putin, our attack is not going as expected, we can't take control of Kyiv."

    Putin: "Goddamnit Ruskie, then lets send in those Belarusians"

     
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    Its great when convoluted banking regulations work *in* the publics favor. Lets keep the pressure on our elected representatives to seize all assets and properties linked to Putin and his oligarchs. Can’t let the criminals get away with uncontrolled greed.



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    duranfj

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    Once again, Rubio is the vice chair of the senate intelligence committee. I don't think this is fear mongering. Putin just suicide bombed his own economy.



    Interesting read here.


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    General Ruskie: "Commandant Putin, our attack is not going as expected, we can't take control of Kyiv."

    Putin: "Goddamnit Ruskie, then lets send in those Belarusians"

    Putin's against the wall definitely may be even more erratic and nuts. Even when I thought those nuke moves are just BS, I'm pretty sure he will do something big enough to buy him time and a better chance to win that what he has now
     

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    Putin's against the wall definitely may be even more erratic and nuts. Even when I thought those nuke moves are just BS, I'm pretty sure he will do something big enough to buy him time and a better chance to win that what he has now
    Yep. Which is why I suspect any notion of “peace talks” with Zelenskyj will be an assassination attempt.

    Zelenskyj is smart enough not to meet in that Putin puppet show and snake pit that is Belarus. But whether it’s Navalnying his underwear or TOS-1ing his convoy, that’s totally the Putin M.O. at this point.

    Russia and Ukraine May be sending delegations, but I expect way more desperation and treachery than reason.
     
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    We should hope for massive protests in Russia today, it’s time for them to change this war too.

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    First reports from Ukraine say that Russia failed to break to Kiev’s defence (once again) tonight

    If I may believe the Western and Ukrainien reports, Russian light infantry came quite far ‘surrounding’ Charkov, Kiev and Mariupol in recent days, but aren’t in control of any of those cities. So they’re positioned outsides of cities, but didn’t break their defences.
     
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