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GrandeGigi

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Sep 18, 2012
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The market ended up being underwhelming due to the long expectation of a trequartista resulting in capturing Hernanes on the final day which probably makes people rate lower than they would've otherwise done, as the end is always the easiest part to remember.

Failure to sign a top quality trequartista which was supposed to be our primary objective means I can't grade anything over a 6/10
 

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Anyway, I think that was a pretty good mercato from Juve - somewhere in the 6.5-7/10 range.

I recall last year a lot of people commenting on Juve's average age becoming concerningly high. That has now been dealt with to a large extent.

Of course, you can't expect to replace all of those established players with the same level of proven quality. See the Tevez-Dybala situation. Dybala right now is not the guarantee Tevez would have been, but you have to make changes at some stage and look at potential - and Dybala has the potential to be a great player for Juve for a long time.


Broadly speaking, I just think this was a mercato dictated by circumstance and so it often appeared rather haphazard.

It felt like Juve were constantly waiting for opportunities to come up and they did well to take advantage of many of them when they did (Khedira, Mandzukic, Sandro, Cuadrado - even Hernanes was a good option in the circumstances).

In some ways I understand being at the mercy of events as Juve are not strong enough to go out and spend the money others can to dictate what will happen in the market.

But I didn't like the impression that was given that there wasn't quite as clear a plan this summer as there has appeared to be in other years from Marotta.


Ultimately, though, Allegri has been given a strong squad of players for this season - still the strongest in Italy and it is up to him to put a team together.

I have sympathy for Allegri in how late some key signings have come, but by the time the next international break arrives in October (seven games between now and then), I'd expect him to have Juve in decent shape.
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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As much as Hernanes is seemingly an underwhelming acquisition...he's definitely much better and much suited to the AM role than Vidal is.
If you view the Hernanes deal in isolation, I'd say it's a shrewd move. At 11m plus 2m bonuses, we perhaps overpaid, especially since he's at 30 years of age. I like him as a player too and he's going to give the team a little more balance in the link up play, not to mention composure, with his serie a experience and 'go to guy' temperament. And he is definitely more value for money than Draxler would be at the Wolfsburg money. But all that said, our fifth choice CF cost more than our first choice AM did, when we knew full well what we needed from the get go. Coming from a CL final, and underselling Vidal, with a spend of 120m plus to end up with Hernanes, is definitely underwhelming, pissing off and disappointing.
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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Anyway, I think that was a pretty good mercato from Juve - somewhere in the 6.5-7/10 range.

I recall last year a lot of people commenting on Juve's average age becoming concerningly high. That has now been dealt with to a large extent.

Of course, you can't expect to replace all of those established players with the same level of proven quality. See the Tevez-Dybala situation. Dybala right now is not the guarantee Tevez would have been, but you have to make changes at some stage and look at potential - and Dybala has the potential to be a great player for Juve for a long time.


Broadly speaking, I just think this was a mercato dictated by circumstance and so it often appeared rather haphazard.

It felt like Juve were constantly waiting for opportunities to come up and they did well to take advantage of many of them when they did (Khedira, Mandzukic, Sandro, Cuadrado - even Hernanes was a good option in the circumstances).

In some ways I understand being at the mercy of events as Juve are not strong enough to go out and spend the money others can to dictate what will happen in the market.

But I didn't like the impression that was given that there wasn't quite as clear a plan this summer as there has appeared to be in other years from Marotta.


Ultimately, though, Allegri has been given a strong squad of players for this season - still the strongest in Italy and it is up to him to put a team together.

I have sympathy for Allegri in how late some key signings have come, but by the time the next international break arrives in October (seven games between now and then), I'd expect him to have Juve in decent shape.
I wouldn't say 6.5-7/10 rating is pretty good as a mercato. I would however say it was a bit more about sustenance. Agree about the mercato being dictated by circumstance, but that has largely been our story under this management for the last five years. One could argue that it's turnover, one could argue that it's the budget, but I also have begun to feel that it's the ceiling of Marrotta and Paratici because of how things always end up. We go in for players who we claim we can afford, as we have in the past in Aguero, RVP, Draxler, but have never really gotten our primary target in any of those negotiations. It's making me wonder if deals like this are just the comfort zone/sweet spot for Beppe and Paratici. There's no right or wrong perhaps, and so far, it's worked to our advantage, but as things stand, as the team grows, I feel like we are going to have to push the envelope out of this comfort zone that we have been working within.

To give you an example, Beppe in his own words said hat Cuadrado was not the type of characteristics we were looking for, and then ended up closing the deal on him. Sure, great opportunity, cost us nothing but time, but then we went and sold the only other natural winger on the squad, which to me made little sense, and that didn't really strike me as an incoming move with any vision associated with it, in terms of thinking about it from the coach's perspective. I'm not hot on Morata or Dybala playing wide incidentally, but that I guess is my personal take on the matter.

I think five years is a good amount of time to see a pattern emerging, and it kind of has stuck it's head out nicely this year as well, wherein we prioritised opportunities over our pre-requisites. That to me is a bit of a problem we need to be a bit conscious about and to think that the pattern didn't change after we came from a season that was just about treble winning. While selling/underselling one of the biggest midfielders in the world, all without a proper plan in place.

The last cycle that ended, ironically was obviously not mapped out for the kind of success that we saw in that time. And we were growing faster than we first accounted for, but now? At this stage in the team and club's progression, if nothing else, I'd like to at least see a little more clarity, structure and direction in our strategic thinking and market outlook. That's probably where our biggest failure lies this year more than just deriving it all down to a singular player or position, if we were to encapsulate a macro view of what transpired over the last couple of months.
 

1251alex

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Dec 13, 2011
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7/10 for me

Dybala, Cuadrado, Rugani, Neto, Alex Sandro and Lemina all excellent signings. Hernanes might be a very positive surprise, of the Serie A active players he has the second highest scoring record (40).

Manduczik should guarantee 20 goals in the season but didnt start off very well missing an easy chance in both our first two games.
Zaza is a complete mistery, I mean we could have done with a Berardi and kept Llorente.
The fact we tried to sell him until the last minute is a bad message.
Khedira: if he will play at least 15 games I will be happy but I have serious concerns about his fitness.
Coman could become a great player but he has not shown any character whenever given the opportunity. Talent is not enough if you lack "balls" and the lad always looked like a frightened chicken. At 30 millions might have been a solid bargain. Excellent getting rid off Ogbonna, Isla, PDC, all players of low standards.
Finally, Pirlo-Tevez-Vidal.
We certainly owe these guys a lot for the last few years but Vidal HAD to go and Tevez WANTED to go. Pirlo was becoming a liability, someone posted the stats from last season showing that with him on the pitch we conceded more than twice the goals conceded with him on the pitch and we scored substantially more goals. And yes, he did have a few genius plays but all in all he was being outpaced by the most humble players.
And these three guys all played a horrendous final in Berlin; considering they all knew it was their last game with Juve, I would have expected a bit more.
That's all folks.
:tup: :agree:



Btw, just curious, who was that big signing your source had seen in turin?
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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Draxler said he chose Wolfsburg and not Italy because he believed he could grow more in Germany as opposed to going to Italy that he wasn't used to.

Weak.
 

DelPiero no10

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Aug 19, 2013
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Dybala, Rugani and Sandro are the great signings we made. Everything else has been pretty much a waste of time and fills me with no confidence. How we still didn't sign a quality treq is beyond me. We didn't need an expensive one, just one with quality. Mandzukic and Khedira are the particularly disappointing signings.
 

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Nov 26, 2006
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Dybala, Rugani and Sandro are the great signings we made. Everything else has been pretty much a waste of time and fills me with no confidence. How we still didn't sign a quality treq is beyond me. We didn't need an expensive one, just one with quality. Mandzukic and Khedira are the particularly disappointing signings.
Suggestions?

I'm particularly interested in how you'd get a trequartista with more quality than Hernanes but who wouldn't be expensive.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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May Igor wouldn't have this sort of meltdown.Transfer mercato is done.You need to navigate yourself to May Igor again.
:lol:True.

it's 6,045751634 atm, after 153 votes.
Which is precisely what I voted, down to the decimal.

Draxler said he chose Wolfsburg and not Italy because he believed he could grow more in Germany as opposed to going to Italy that he wasn't used to.

Weak.
That's bs. He may have some German allegiance, but no question his career would have had far more upside at Juve than Wolfsburg. This is just hindsight justification to put a positive spin on his last-minute suitors. The equivalent of Moratta saying he was never ours.
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,177
10/10

We lost 1 game changer like Tevez, we lost 1/2 game changer like Vidal. Both left us because they wanted to move. Nothing can be done about it. All other players that left weren't game changers.

Now we have 3 game changers - Dybala, Cuadrado and Hernanes. We've got a WC LB prospect. Lemina and Rugani are exciting. If fit Khedira is a good signing too and to me Zaza is more than good 4th choice striker. Neto is an awesome back up GK too.

Awesome and exciting mercato. Glad we didn't take Draxler. Best options for AM were KDB, Oscar, Isco, Silva, Mata and Eriksen but all were too expensive. In the end Hernanes looks like a blessing in disguise. Thank God for Draxler. :delpiero:
:lol: :rofl: :howler: 3 game changers?! Really?! Wow! 10/10 mercato?! If you are being sarcastic, then you had me fooled. However, if you are being serious, then pass on some of that potent delusion concoction you are imbibing. I want to know in which multiverse are Hernanes and Cuadrado game changers?!
 

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