Ranieri or someone else ; Part XXVII (32 Viewers)

[Red]

sad to say sounds rather much like Juve of today, hence why im against any potential appointment for spalletti

This Juve team doesn't lack balls.

The team's spirit just isn't enough to make up for its tactical and technical deficiencies.

 

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[Badass J Elkann]

It's Roma's poor defense.

Man, 7 players in their team are just average at best while they have 4 Primavera players on their bench sometimes.

Spalletti lost Scudetto due to Inter's robbery.Back then he had balls, or even better, they didn't have such a lousy team.

Im one that believes that a team is only as good as the manager himself, and if the team is lousy, then so is spalletti. If roma have no balls, then nor has Spalletti. same could be said about chelsea this season, lousy and sloppy under scolari, but organised and handles pressure well under hiddink

 

[Cronios]

He can't do anything about it, unlike Ranieri.

Indeed, CR seems to have more and better options, but this is not entirely true either.
He is forced to use the garbage Secco buys...

 

[Dostoevsky]

Im one that believes that a team is only as good as the manager himself, and if the team is lousy, then so is spalletti. If roma have no balls, then nor has Spalletti. same could be said about chelsea this season, lousy and sloppy under scolari, but organised and handles pressure well under hiddink

I disagree so I will just stop it here because this won't end.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Indeed, CR seems to have more and better options, but this is not entirely true either.
He is forced to use the garbage Secco buys...

Yet again, we are much stronger. If some of our transfers were garbage then I can't define Roma's transfers.

 

[puzzu]

Indeed, CR seems to have more and better options, but this is not entirely true either.
He is forced to use the garbage Secco buys...

I agree with you in that CR doesnot have quality players but his approach to the games, his preparation for the game and tactics are hopeless. How come we didnt press on Lazio's palyers and trying to get an early goal then administer the game? He did the same against Chelsea. He doesnt tell teh players to go all out for the opponents and press them so that we dont give them the chance to play their game. This is the greatest defect of Ranieri.

 

[Cronios]

Unlike BD, i do believe that the quality of the players have a great effect on the performance of the team. And despite how good the coach is, if they are not good enough, he cannot perform miracles and win titles by himself.

Yet again, we are much stronger. If some of our transfers were garbage then I can't define Roma's transfers.

Roma's handicap is financial the team cannot do nothing about.
Our handicap is different, its the incompetence of our leaders!
We can do smth about it! That would mean that CR is in a greater fault, but to be fair against him, i ll have to point out that his control over our team, is probably more restricted than Spaletti's over Roma.

One the other hand though, puzzu is correct!

I agree with you in that CR doesnot have quality players but his approach to the games, his preparation for the game and tactics are hopeless. How come we didnt press on Lazio's palyers and trying to get an early goal then administer the game? He did the same against Chelsea. He doesnt tell teh players to go all out for the opponents and press them so that we dont give them the chance to play their game. This is the greatest defect of Ranieri.

CR lacks the winner mentality! This is not just a rumor! We have seen it!
The disqualification from the cup and esp the full back order he gave against Lazio,
when we were dominating and could have finished the qualification in the first leg, was a proof beyond doubt!!

 

[HAZEM]

i hope this petition works !!!!

 

[The Curr]

Ok, so lots of us are calling for Ranieri to be fired but does anyone else feel that it won't make that big a difference who the manager is as long as Blanc, Gigli, Secco and co are in charge?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

It would, a better manager would do better with the resources available.

 

[Bjerknes]

I don't think people really understand what's going on here. If the players and fans are against the manager, it is impossible to say keep him on. If everyone is against him, playing without a manager would be a better choice than keeping him on. No matter what you say, that's the truth.

 

[The Curr]

It would, a better manager would do better with the resources available.

We could be better depending on who the replacement is but in the bigger picture I don't think Ranieri is the club's biggest problem.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Unlike BD, i do believe that the quality of the players have a great effect on the performance of the team. And despite how good the coach is, if they are not good enough, he cannot perform miracles and win titles by himself.

but what good is a team of quality if it has no leader or competant management. Yet it has been proven so many times that even a team with lesser quality can achieve greatness or at least exceed expectations with great leadership. much like with AZ in holland, Chievo in their first season in serie A, to an extent Hoffenheim, or a better example wolfsburg and Hertha Berlin this season. Obviously there are examples in which there are teams of great quality and management such as man utd, and those of a team with great quality but poor management like scolari at chelsea, in which hiddink transformed chelsea almost over night.

Having a team of quality is only half the battle but its better to have a heard of sheeps lead by a lion, than a squad of lions lead by a donkey

 

[Tomice]

Spaletti ? :melayyanandmessi:

I see some of you guys are having a laugh.
He his in no way a juve style coach. he did some good job at udineze and rome but the problames happen when you choose a coach that isnt right for the style and mentality of the club (renieri anyone?).
juve isnt rome nor it ever will be. even guordiula/rijkard would flop here because of thier style of football.
i think that Spaletti is a easy going kind of guy, that just take whatever players his board throwes at him, just imagne what sucko would to to him...

We need someone with balls, who can put his foot down

 

[Tomice]

Ok, so lots of us are calling for Ranieri to be fired but does anyone else feel that it won't make that big a difference who the manager is as long as Blanc, Gigli, Secco and co are in charge?

You do have a point there.
but in order to get rid of those clowns you need a good coach.
you need a coach that will push the team he have to the max so the board of directors can look at the other elements that hold the club back, our great "trio".

you need a coach that has balls to say he isnt satisfied, that he is pissed, that our team is lacking quality. we need a coach that can say what we need. we need a coach period.
now just imagine ranieri

 

[Cronios]

Of course, the coach is a very important factor. And as you have mentioned with the previous Chelsea example, he can really make the difference, under some certain circumstances!

But the coach alone, will not deliver any miracles. I see our team as a team that plays with a handicap, due to the fact that we are forced to field 4 very limited players (Molinaro, Grygera, Mellberg/Legro, Marchionni) out of ten.
40% of our field players/starters, are not competitive enough, to compete with the best, or even to make the difference against lesser opposition.
CR or any other coach would try anything to minimize the damage, those incompetent players inflict to our team.
But some times it simply wont be enough.
If the other 60% does not perform at optimal levels to compensate, no matter what CR tries, it wont be enough!

This faulty percentage is a burden inherited by our management.
Although they had the available funds to fix those issues, they preferred some luxury subs. I have reasons to believe that this is not CR's fault.
CR has done some great mistakes and i want him out since the day he was announced.
But if we dont fix those issues, we cannot demand any better results!
There is no coach out there who can deliver much better results with this 40% handicap.

Since the main problem lies elsewhere, i wouldnt want CR to considered as the ultimate scapegoat, only to divert attention from our real problem!
IMO changing our board is a greater priority.
Changing our coach with the same board is a half-measure.
A new coach could do just a bit better, but he could also do a lot worse,
esp if he is an inexperienced pawn, like Conte.
The new coach would bring new hope, but a false hope, since we know this faulty policy of the current will continue and no matter what this new coach does,
they will amputate our team.

 

[Esteban]

Spaletti ? :melayyanandmessi:

I see some of you guys are having a laugh.
He his in no way a juve style coach. he did some good job at udineze and rome but the problames happen when you choose a coach that isnt right for the style and mentality of the club (renieri anyone?).
juve isnt rome nor it ever will be. even guordiula/rijkard would flop here because of thier style of football.
i think that Spaletti is a easy going kind of guy, that just take whatever players his board throwes at him, just imagne what sucko would to to him...

We need someone with balls, who can put his foot down

What do you have an obsessive-compulsive-disorder against spelling names correctly?

 

[Tomice]

What do you have an obsessive-compulsive-disorder against spelling names correctly?

I cant be bothered with minor details. so dont bother me.

 

[Mike-e-y]

What do you have an obsessive-compulsive-disorder against spelling names correctly?

 

[Salvatore]

We could be better depending on who the replacement is but in the bigger picture I don't think Ranieri is the club's biggest problem.

Like the board letting the manager have more control over certain things?