Ranieri or someone else ; Part XXVII (14 Viewers)

New coach

  • Vialli

  • Spalletti

  • Prandelli

  • Mancini

  • Grant

  • Rijkaard

  • Conte

  • Gasperini

  • Malesani

  • Someone else. Who?

  • Keep the one we have

  • Andrew Beck (manager) and Michael Burke (assistant manager)


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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Have you thought of the possibility that Deschamps wanted to buy Ribery, Sergio Ramos and Gerrard being the reason why the board didn't want to give him full control of the side?
As I recall he wanted to buy some good players at the time, players such as Kolo Toure. I'm sure Deschamps understood he had a limited budget to work with and wouldn't throw a fit just because he didn't have money to spend.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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As I recall he wanted to buy some good players at the time, players such as Kolo Toure. I'm sure Deschamps understood he had a limited budget to work with and wouldn't throw a fit just because he didn't have money to spend.
He also wanted to buy Anelka and a few others.

What I meant is you disregarded the idea that maybe Deschamp's transfer budget was larger than what the board had in mind just to bash the board.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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He also wanted to buy Anelka and a few others.

What I meant is you disregarded the idea that maybe Deschamp's transfer budget was larger than what the board had in mind just to bash the board.
I honestly don't really understand what you're trying to say.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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I honestly don't really understand what you're trying to say.
Misunderstandings happen in clubs and the Deschamps case was obviously something along those lines. And to be honest neither you nor me nor any other member on these forums will ever know what was reason to Deschamp's resignation. You say because the board are bastards who have no clue and no respect for Juve legends (in other words you close an eye on the reason being a misunderstanding on the transfer budget for example). I, on the other hand, can't conclude anything. I would have loved it had he stayed but it happened this way and he left and the board being bastards or incompetent or whatever you like to call them won't cross my mind because the facts are not open to the public.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Misunderstandings happen in clubs and the Deschamps case was obviously something along those lines. And to be honest neither you nor me nor any other member on these forums will ever know what was reason to Deschamp's resignation. You say because the board are bastards who have no clue and no respect for Juve legends (in other words you close an eye on the reason being a misunderstanding on the transfer budget for example). I, on the other hand, can't conclude anything. I would have loved it had he stayed but it happened this way and he left and the board being bastards or incompetent or whatever you like to call them won't cross my mind because the facts are not open to the public.
Deschamps stated himself in an interview that the board didn't want to give him full control of the transfers and didn't agree with his view on how he wanted to run the club in Serie A.

For me, I trust what Deschamps said about the matter as he's a legend connected to Juventus much more than random businessmen like Blanc.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Didn't Deschamps have the same agent as Boumsong? Wasn't Boumsong the only player bought in Deschamps' time in Juve?
Did Deschamps maybe ask the board to buy some other players who have the same agent as him? Was Deschamps planning to get some provision from these transfers?

We will never know. Just like we don't have the slightest idea why did Deschamps leave.
And yet we have our theory and we claim how Deschamps left because the big bad board didn't want to give him the money to buy the players Juve needed.
The players that would have won us the CL this year and 2 scudetti in a row.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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Deschamps stated himself in an interview that the board didn't want to give him full control of the transfers and didn't agree with his view on how he wanted to run the club in Serie A.

For me, I trust what Deschamps said about the matter as he's a legend connected to Juventus much more than random businessmen like Blanc.
Still random businessmen know a lot about finances than a Juventus legend.
 

Cuti

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Jul 30, 2006
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Deschamps was out of the club long before it was said publically, cause in March 07, the Juve board cancelled a meeting with the Maltese guys that had organised the friendly here in January 08, because they were speaking to another coach about the following season. I know this cause my father is friends with the guys that got Juve here.
Up to you to interpret this now in any way you want
 

RavaneVialli

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Jan 27, 2008
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That's not exactly true.
Some time after his departure he said in an interview that he wanted to sign these players, so I assume he didn't mean a "5-year plan", because he could know nothing about their form or availability in few years.
He wanted also to become a coach with role more of a manager like in English teams, which is exactly not a tradition in Italy.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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Deschamps was out of the club long before it was said publically, cause in March 07, the Juve board cancelled a meeting with the Maltese guys that had organised the friendly here in January 08, because they were speaking to another coach about the following season. I know this cause my father is friends with the guys that got Juve here.
Up to you to interpret this now in any way you want
My interpretation: A misunderstanding that I am not aware of.

Andy's interpretation: The board are bastards.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Some time after his departure he said in an interview that he wanted to sign these players, so I assume he didn't mean a "5-year plan", because he could know nothing about their form or availability in few years.
He wanted also to become a coach with role more of a manager like in English teams, which is exactly not a tradition in Italy.
Yes, he said he would look to those players to sign, but didn't mention anything about the funds made available to him.

He did want more control of the team as manager, indeed similar to that of the English Brian Clough type managing. And I'm all for that sort of style because that's the way it should be.
 

V

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Jun 8, 2005
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He did want more control of the team as manager, indeed similar to that of the English Brian Clough type managing. And I'm all for that sort of style because that's the way it should be.
Indeed. Not letting your manager pick the players he wants is absurd.

I still believe DD could have done big things with us.
 

Amaurisimo

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Dec 8, 2007
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@ Dusan.
While i agree with you with some things I do have to remind you that formation and tactics are imposed by quality of the players, their offensive/defensive skills etc.

We don't have quality full backs to play something more adventurous, even when CR had to risk it, he did changed formation on many occasions. (last being against Inter)

Fans favorite Jose, bought 2 players for his 433 formation, (Quaresma and Manchini ) and what happened shortly afterwords? He benched both players and changed to 422 quoting him "best suited for our team and league".
In money terms, that is approx 30mil down the drain.

And please people don't shout against long balls, as we play less than before, Molinaro crosses less nowadays, or our high defense line as we all know why is that: our defense is not that great, and also we miss terribly Momo who would normally clear most of the balls and stop the attacks.

I am always for change, but give me better change than is above please..
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Indeed. Not letting your manager pick the players he wants is absurd.
Sure, but does this mean that Ranieri also isn't picking the players? Poulsen, Sissoko etc... were these players also picked by the board?

If they didn't let Deschamps pick the players he wants i can safely say that they aren't letting Ranieri pick his players either.

But i hear people here blaming Ranieri for rejecting Xabi on order to get Poulsen.
If he really did that then it means that he's the one picking the players, and Deschamps didn't leave because he wasn't given the right to pick his players.

I'm so confused. I wish i could use double standards like others do. It would've been much easier.
 
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