Wasn't it said that Lippi is in the plans and that's why he pushed Juventus to get Cannavaro?
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Ranieri or someone else ; Part XXVII (5 Viewers)
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While CR was coaching, in the last 10-15 years he has been always in top 4 standings.
Valencia 2 spells, Chelsea for 4 years, Juve 2 years, and to mention that CR is the coach with more CL experience than all of those coaches above when put together.
When we were playing in CL i read many times that this Juve plays better and more like team, than under any other coach.(capello)
So what really can you expect from those "youngsters" than?
Now we had 3-4 bad results and our defense was exposed many times.
But what is wrong, well heart of our midfiled is injured - Momo.
And even during this season we had IQ, Amuri, Trez, Camo, etc all injured..
For tonight game we will not have Chello.
Game against inter we missed Camo and Marchisio- cos of cards.
So you tell me why would you take a gamble with someone who never achived anything more than CR?
We all agree that our team need 2-3 champions..Lets get CR a chance with competitive team and than judge him..
Some of you want to change CR cos of stupid interviews about Diego, or any other player, when even we don;t know if true what has been said..
or maybe cos someone else deserve a chance, cos its young and Italian , or maybe cos have bigger heart, maybe that new coach will take more risks, play different formation, play Gio all the time, and maybe cos that new coach played for Juve?
Some guys think with their dick instead of head, that is only what bothers me..
Forza Juve
Valencia 2 spells, Chelsea for 4 years, Juve 2 years, and to mention that CR is the coach with more CL experience than all of those coaches above when put together.
When we were playing in CL i read many times that this Juve plays better and more like team, than under any other coach.(capello)
So what really can you expect from those "youngsters" than?
Now we had 3-4 bad results and our defense was exposed many times.
But what is wrong, well heart of our midfiled is injured - Momo.
And even during this season we had IQ, Amuri, Trez, Camo, etc all injured..
For tonight game we will not have Chello.
Game against inter we missed Camo and Marchisio- cos of cards.
So you tell me why would you take a gamble with someone who never achived anything more than CR?
We all agree that our team need 2-3 champions..Lets get CR a chance with competitive team and than judge him..
Some of you want to change CR cos of stupid interviews about Diego, or any other player, when even we don;t know if true what has been said..
or maybe cos someone else deserve a chance, cos its young and Italian , or maybe cos have bigger heart, maybe that new coach will take more risks, play different formation, play Gio all the time, and maybe cos that new coach played for Juve?
Some guys think with their dick instead of head, that is only what bothers me..
Forza Juve
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He didn't win many things, though.
Maybe you do love Ranieri a bit more than some other fans do but that should not stop you from seeing the whole picture of our current situation.
We did have many injuries this season and everything but we sure did miss a lot of chances to close the -gap between us and Inter.His tacticle approach was not good enough (according by us, fans) where we lost either our play or just dropped points.Many it's crutial to say that Ranieri is not a winner but I don't really think he can lead us somewhere with his tactics.He did some good things for our club and he's probabaly a good person but it's not a reason why we should keep him.I won't complain for CL because we looked good and I was happy how we played against Chelsea(even if he did make some mistakes).
The thing is that you said the same thing a year ago when you said that he'd do with better players...well, he got some but not a much of an improvement.Even next season we might have some of our key players injured but it should not be our excuse.I don't see anything wrong with saying that we should play a different formation where we clearly see that 4-4-2 have killed us many times this season for using Marchionni on the right and an off form Nedved on the left.It is a big - for him for not using Giovinco more and even you should admit that and even if we play him tonight it shouldn't change that fact.His substitutions were not a possitive thing to say about him aswell.He did some perfect but he made a mistake too many times.I think he should take the risk when it comes to that (I love hows Mourinho dealing with those).
I agree with you that appointing Conte could be a mistake and a bit too early to do so but I can't agree with some people saying that Gasparini wouldn't help us.Saying he's not proven yet is just stupid IMO because it's not like all clubs are after people that are coaching Milan's,Real's etc.Sometimes you take the un-known ones who lead you on the top and become world class coaches.So far Gasparini have shown that he's ready for the next level, he might fail...yes, but he might be the right choice.Who would have guessed that Mourinho will become a world class coach after seeing him getting Porto's job.
Also,saying we should get just Wenger or someone on that level is a bit weird and just a different way of saying that we should keep Ranieri because chances of that happening are like 0.5% considering our sitution.There are always clubs like Real where he'd get 100mln euros for transfer market and 8mln/year so I doubt our 1/3 of it would make him come here.
Ranieri did what he could and he was solid but it's time for us to move on and get someone else IMO (even though I think our board will give another year or should I just say another chance).
Maybe you do love Ranieri a bit more than some other fans do but that should not stop you from seeing the whole picture of our current situation.
We did have many injuries this season and everything but we sure did miss a lot of chances to close the -gap between us and Inter.His tacticle approach was not good enough (according by us, fans) where we lost either our play or just dropped points.Many it's crutial to say that Ranieri is not a winner but I don't really think he can lead us somewhere with his tactics.He did some good things for our club and he's probabaly a good person but it's not a reason why we should keep him.I won't complain for CL because we looked good and I was happy how we played against Chelsea(even if he did make some mistakes).
The thing is that you said the same thing a year ago when you said that he'd do with better players...well, he got some but not a much of an improvement.Even next season we might have some of our key players injured but it should not be our excuse.I don't see anything wrong with saying that we should play a different formation where we clearly see that 4-4-2 have killed us many times this season for using Marchionni on the right and an off form Nedved on the left.It is a big - for him for not using Giovinco more and even you should admit that and even if we play him tonight it shouldn't change that fact.His substitutions were not a possitive thing to say about him aswell.He did some perfect but he made a mistake too many times.I think he should take the risk when it comes to that (I love hows Mourinho dealing with those).
I agree with you that appointing Conte could be a mistake and a bit too early to do so but I can't agree with some people saying that Gasparini wouldn't help us.Saying he's not proven yet is just stupid IMO because it's not like all clubs are after people that are coaching Milan's,Real's etc.Sometimes you take the un-known ones who lead you on the top and become world class coaches.So far Gasparini have shown that he's ready for the next level, he might fail...yes, but he might be the right choice.Who would have guessed that Mourinho will become a world class coach after seeing him getting Porto's job.
Also,saying we should get just Wenger or someone on that level is a bit weird and just a different way of saying that we should keep Ranieri because chances of that happening are like 0.5% considering our sitution.There are always clubs like Real where he'd get 100mln euros for transfer market and 8mln/year so I doubt our 1/3 of it would make him come here.
Ranieri did what he could and he was solid but it's time for us to move on and get someone else IMO (even though I think our board will give another year or should I just say another chance).
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Interesting Blog.
Back him or sack him
If Juventus’ master plan consists of hiring Marcello Lippi in 2010, then Antonio Labbate urges them to carefully consider the position of Claudio Ranieri now – and not later
On paper it looks like a decent plan. Keep Claudio Ranieri for a year, where he would be expected to consolidate Juventus’ position in the top three, then bring in Marcello Lippi as a technical director to work above a young aspiring Coach with a glittering Old Lady past – like Antonio Conte or Ciro Ferrara. In reality, though, it may be a recipe for disaster.
There seems to be little doubt that Juventus are keen on a third Lippi era in Turin once his World Cup commitments end in South Africa next year. A recent meeting between director general Jean-Claude Blanc and the current Italian national boss intimated that. The imminent signing of Fabio Cannavaro confirmed it.
Although Ranieri insisted this week that he’d approved the Cannavaro swoop, it’s widely understood that Juve opened the door for the stopper at the request of Lippi. And if the latter is already having an impact on the club’s market strategies then we shouldn’t expect a move for Antonio Cassano this summer or a Vincenzo Iaquinta sale.
If Juventus, as is widely believed, have opted to start a new chapter in 2010 – year four of their five-year recovery plan after Calciopoli – then why not turn that page now? Keeping a Coach for a term in the knowledge that he won’t remain is a dangerous ploy and Lippi knows it.
He was at the helm of the Old Lady in 1998-99 when it became clear in the early part of the campaign that he had already agreed to join Inter at the end of the season. La Vecchia Signora subsequently flopped, winning seven, drawing six and losing seven in the League before a home reverse to Parma saw Lippi resign on the spot. Juve went on to finish a disastrous sixth.
The Turin giants can’t afford – in every sense – a repeat with Ranieri. Such an outcome would be two steps backwards at the expense of one step forward, a setback that even the most patient Bianconeri follower would find hard to forgive.
Although Ranieri hasn’t done a bad job with the players he’s had at his disposal, dismissing him this summer, a year before his current agreement expires, is an option which the club would have to consider at the very least.
Players he has specifically requested have failed to perform, doubts remain over his tactical know-how and his relationship with some of his troops – most notably a number of the senators – isn’t without problems. Those issues may escalate next term if the squad is made aware that he’s on borrowed time.
If Juventus are thinking about Conte for 2010, the man who is masterminding Bari’s promotion to the top flight, then they should reconsider. Not because he wouldn’t be worthy, but because if he is good enough for then they have to accept that he is good enough for now.
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Back him or sack him
If Juventus’ master plan consists of hiring Marcello Lippi in 2010, then Antonio Labbate urges them to carefully consider the position of Claudio Ranieri now – and not later
On paper it looks like a decent plan. Keep Claudio Ranieri for a year, where he would be expected to consolidate Juventus’ position in the top three, then bring in Marcello Lippi as a technical director to work above a young aspiring Coach with a glittering Old Lady past – like Antonio Conte or Ciro Ferrara. In reality, though, it may be a recipe for disaster.
There seems to be little doubt that Juventus are keen on a third Lippi era in Turin once his World Cup commitments end in South Africa next year. A recent meeting between director general Jean-Claude Blanc and the current Italian national boss intimated that. The imminent signing of Fabio Cannavaro confirmed it.
Although Ranieri insisted this week that he’d approved the Cannavaro swoop, it’s widely understood that Juve opened the door for the stopper at the request of Lippi. And if the latter is already having an impact on the club’s market strategies then we shouldn’t expect a move for Antonio Cassano this summer or a Vincenzo Iaquinta sale.
If Juventus, as is widely believed, have opted to start a new chapter in 2010 – year four of their five-year recovery plan after Calciopoli – then why not turn that page now? Keeping a Coach for a term in the knowledge that he won’t remain is a dangerous ploy and Lippi knows it.
He was at the helm of the Old Lady in 1998-99 when it became clear in the early part of the campaign that he had already agreed to join Inter at the end of the season. La Vecchia Signora subsequently flopped, winning seven, drawing six and losing seven in the League before a home reverse to Parma saw Lippi resign on the spot. Juve went on to finish a disastrous sixth.
The Turin giants can’t afford – in every sense – a repeat with Ranieri. Such an outcome would be two steps backwards at the expense of one step forward, a setback that even the most patient Bianconeri follower would find hard to forgive.
Although Ranieri hasn’t done a bad job with the players he’s had at his disposal, dismissing him this summer, a year before his current agreement expires, is an option which the club would have to consider at the very least.
Players he has specifically requested have failed to perform, doubts remain over his tactical know-how and his relationship with some of his troops – most notably a number of the senators – isn’t without problems. Those issues may escalate next term if the squad is made aware that he’s on borrowed time.
If Juventus are thinking about Conte for 2010, the man who is masterminding Bari’s promotion to the top flight, then they should reconsider. Not because he wouldn’t be worthy, but because if he is good enough for then they have to accept that he is good enough for now.
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Well yeah, give Ranieri three world class champions or so, and he may be able to pull something out of his ass. You give any manager three world class players and this squad, and chances are he'll win something sooner of later.
But the thing is, we don't have the money to buy up Ribery, Sergio Ramos and Steven Gerrard (perhaps we could muster enough for one), so we need to make do with what we have and create a side much like we did in the 90's. I'm convinced Ranieri is not up to the task.
But the thing is, we don't have the money to buy up Ribery, Sergio Ramos and Steven Gerrard (perhaps we could muster enough for one), so we need to make do with what we have and create a side much like we did in the 90's. I'm convinced Ranieri is not up to the task.
I have no idea of his competence as a director or consultant, even if he is experienced. And also dont want him back as a coach yet again.
But mainly said that because I dont like him butting into our bussiness by prolonging Ranieri's stay for another season, because we are to wait for Lippi's convenience of stepping down after the WC. We should get another coach NOW, period.
But mainly said that because I dont like him butting into our bussiness by prolonging Ranieri's stay for another season, because we are to wait for Lippi's convenience of stepping down after the WC. We should get another coach NOW, period.
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