Ramadan Kareem!! (6 Viewers)

[aressandro10]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++


no no, i meant...i just thought it was odd that u said "here in japan"... it's sort of like "here in australia, we mow our lawns at 3 p.m."

well if i said here in hachioji shi, you would have no idea where that is...

 

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[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Zizou ] ++
The shroud of Turin is something else. First of all the 700 year thing you`re talking about does not stand on its feet because when they analysed the shroud, the analysis is not perfect and 700 years ago there was a fire and cos of that the analysis cannot really trace the exact date.

I don't understand, what does the fire have to do with it?

btw I don't think it's relevant whether the shroud of Turin is genuine or not.. it's just a claim...

So how where they buried? I always thought they were covered in a shroud with oil for perfuming and buried in a cave.

I'm not quite sure, I believe their bodies were treated with spices or perfumes and wrapped in linen or something.

Oh and what's PBUH?

Peace be unto him.

 

[Zizou]

Gray: That was a nice long post, good stuff

Hey I'm confused why people find it so difficult to understand how a person can be a virgin and have a kid. In Mary's case, the Holy Spirit got inside her and she had a baby. If we believe in God and that he can do anything I doubt that is such a difficult thing to believe in.

Anyway good stuff everyone, this thread has really become good, especially since there are a lot of discussions and no fights.

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Zizou ] ++
vit: So what else do polish catholics differ from other catholics? The pope is polish so I thought you guys had exactly the same roman catholic upbringing.

Mbah! I have no idea, cause I dont know other catholics.
I think people here and in other catholics countries have the same roman catholic upbringing, but I wont put strong statement about eg catholics from Malta, cause I dont know anything about them.
But maybe some customs are different etc.

 

[aressandro10]

err.... forgive my lack of knowledge... but i find this interesting..
does The Shroud of Turin have anything to do with the hometown of our beloved club ?

just that i dont know anything bout it....

 

[Zizou]

Gray cos the analysis of the shroud looks for carbons or whatever they are inside the shroud. And the computer found traces of carbon that was of 700 years ago. But 700 years ago there was this big fire in which the shroud was involved so the computer traced that carbon.

Those that don't believe in it say it was a self portrait painting by Leonardo, but later computer tests founds that the blood is real.

 

[Zizou]

aressandro - it's called that way cos it's in Turin's main church or something. If you go to Turin you can see it on display there.

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Zizou ] ++
Gray: That was a nice long post, good stuff

Hey I'm confused why people find it so difficult to understand how a person can be a virgin and have a kid. In Mary's case, the Holy Spirit got inside her and she had a baby. If we believe in God and that he can do anything I doubt that is such a difficult thing to believe in.

Anyway good stuff everyone, this thread has really become good, especially since there are a lot of discussions and no fights.

Cause this is matter of faith in this. If you have this faith, it's normal for you, that things were as Bible says.
If you have other religion, or you dont have a faith in this - you look on this as on some story and you look for some reasonable explanation.

 

[Zizou]

vit yeah probably though I think the differences are minimal since at the end of the day we have to follow the same rules.


Hey I thought I'd tell you the story of how Malta became a catholic country:

During the roman empire Malta used to pray false Gods etc cos they did not know much about religion. Then once, while St. Paul was being taken prisoner to Rome to be executed, his ship shipwrecked and St. Paul and the roman soldiers ended in Malta.

The Maltese helped them out with food and so on, but while they were eating, a ciper jumped out of the fire in the camp and bit St. Paul. Everyone thought he would die, but amazingly he didn't. St .Paul started telling them about Jesus and God and well that's how Malta became catholic.

Since that incident with the viper, Maltese vipers don't have poison in them anymore. No real scientific reason explains this. Weird eh?

 

[Zizou]

Cause this is matter of faith in this. If you have this faith, it's normal for you, that things were as Bible says.
If you have other religion, or you dont have a faith in this - you look on this as on some story and you look for some reasonable explanation.

Yeah but what I'm saying is that since some of the muslims are rebating that story, I can't see why since we both believe in a God that can do anything, then why is it hard to beleive that he can make a woman have a baby without losing her virginity?

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by aressandro10 ] ++

well if i said here in hachioji shi, you would have no idea where that is...

i think u're still not getting me I meant that i thought it a bit odd that everyone's fasting times are the same in certain regions

++ [ originally posted by Zizou ] ++
Gray cos the analysis of the shroud looks for carbons or whatever they are inside the shroud. And the computer found traces of carbon that was of 700 years ago. But 700 years ago there was this big fire in which the shroud was involved so the computer traced that carbon.

Ahh thanks

But I thought carbon dating relies on minutely radioactive isotopes from living organisms... or are you saying that the ashes from other stuff mixed in with the shroud?

Check this out:
http://www.geocities.com/player2000gi/turin.htm

And this: (long but comprehensive)
http://www.uthscsa.edu/mission/spring96/shroud.htm

http://www.geocities.com/player2000gi/turin.htm

 

[aressandro10]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++


i think u're still not getting me I meant that i thought it a bit odd that everyone's fasting times are the same in certain regions

aaahhh....so thaatttttttttss what you meannn..

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Zizou ] ++
vit yeah probably though I think the differences are minimal since at the end of the day we have to follow the same rules.


Hey I thought I'd tell you the story of how Malta became a catholic country:

During the roman empire Malta used to pray false Gods etc cos they did not know much about religion. Then once, while St. Paul was being taken prisoner to Rome to be executed, his ship shipwrecked and St. Paul and the roman soldiers ended in Malta.

The Maltese helped them out with food and so on, but while they were eating, a ciper jumped out of the fire in the camp and bit St. Paul. Everyone thought he would die, but amazingly he didn't. St .Paul started telling them about Jesus and God and well that's how Malta became catholic.

Since that incident with the viper, Maltese vipers don't have poison in them anymore. No real scientific reason explains this. Weird eh?

I think rules are the same, but customs can be different.
I'm trying to think about some example, but I dont have anything good on my mind...

I didnt know, that Malta is catholics for so long, we are since 996 year, cause one of our princes wanted to marry princess from Czechs and he had to become christian before that, cause she was christian already.

Weird, and are those vipers really without poison in them??

 

[Zizou]

Gray: It's nearly 1.30am here, don't feel like reading too much. Will check it out tomorrow. Btw when you started mentioning that scientific mumbo jumbo you lost me there.

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Zizou ] ++


Yeah but what I'm saying is that since some of the muslims are rebating that story, I can't see why since we both believe in a God that can do anything, then why is it hard to beleive that he can make a woman have a baby without losing her virginity?

Hmm... good point.
Maybe someone can explain that.

 

[Zizou]

vit these catholics roots sound like a domino thing eh? one country turning another into catholics or whatever.

Yeah no maltese viper has poison in them, but they used to cos people used to die with their bite. But then that incident happened. Coincidence? I don't know.

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Zizou ] ++
Hey I thought I'd tell you the story of how Malta became a catholic country:

During the roman empire Malta used to pray false Gods etc cos they did not know much about religion. Then once, while St. Paul was being taken prisoner to Rome to be executed, his ship shipwrecked and St. Paul and the roman soldiers ended in Malta.

The Maltese helped them out with food and so on, but while they were eating, a ciper jumped out of the fire in the camp and bit St. Paul. Everyone thought he would die, but amazingly he didn't. St .Paul started telling them about Jesus and God and well that's how Malta became catholic.

Since that incident with the viper, Maltese vipers don't have poison in them anymore. No real scientific reason explains this. Weird eh?

I love that story

Acts 28:1-6

Once safely on shore, we found out that the island was called Malta.

The islanders showed us unusual kindness. They built a fire and welcomed us all because it was raining and cold.

Paul gathered a pile of brushwood and, as he put it on the fire, a viper, driven out by the heat, fastened itself on his hand.

When the islanders saw the snake hanging from his hand, they said to each other, "This man must be a murderer; for though he escaped from the sea, Justice has not allowed him to live."

But Paul shook the snake off into the fire and suffered no ill effects.

The people expected him to swell up or suddenly fall dead, but after waiting a long time and seeing nothing unusual happen to him, they changed their minds and said he was a god.

++ [ originally posted by Zizou ] ++
Gray: It's nearly 1.30am here, don't feel like reading too much. Will check it out tomorrow. Btw when you started mentioning that scientific mumbo jumbo you lost me there.

Hehe no problems, i'm ready for it because it's only 11:30am here

 

[vitoria_Ally]

Glenn:
Yes, we become christians, cause this is the only one way to avoid visit of our deerest neighbours Germans, who wanted to bring us christianity with swords, so we chose Czechs and marriage.

I guess we also have such incidents here, but not so old as you have over there.

 

[gray]

I think it's awesome for people who live in countries where events from the Bible occurred...

 

[Zizou]

Wow gray you knew that story as well? Do you know all those quotes by heart? You`re just typing with the Bible close by? Still to find the stories you must remember where to look so you have a really good memory.