Ramadan Kareem!! (45 Viewers)

vitoria_Ally · Nov 4, 2003

We talk about two different things now, sally.
I wasnt talking about what Ramadan means for all muslims,
I was talking only about your private opinion about sth, what you didnt experimented, so you not really can be a jugde here.
You wont convince me, that praying is better than sex, if you didnt experienced both. If you do and you will say: praying is better, that's what you feel and then I'm absolutely fine with that

See my point? If not - I have no idea how to explain it better, but it's nothing so important.

But thanks a lot for this longer post about Ramadan, I know much more about it now :thumb:

Oh and about Majed's question: I do the same as you, I try to know many things about other religions too, but just cause I like to know things, about everything.

Zizou · Nov 4, 2003

I think Lent is not really followed by Christians as much as Ramadan is followed by Muslims.

In the past I remember my mother tleling me that her parents used to fasten from 6am till 6pm where they could only eat bread and drink water. Nowadays Lent is not so strict and basically someone can do whatever he wants. The most followed observations are not eating meat on Fridays and no sweets throughout Lent.

Personally I think the above is stupid cos in my case I don't really like meat, as I prefer pasta so if you give me pasta instead of meat on Friday that is not a sacrifice for me.

About the sweets, needless to say, I don't last more than a day

vitoria_Ally · Nov 4, 2003

When I mentioned about Lent, I meant what I said: Catholics, not christians in general.

And here they rather follow the rules.

gray · Nov 5, 2003

I did answer it, it's because God is a God of justice, and he doesn't let sins go without a price. In the Old Testament, people used to have to pay this price regularly, but now that Christ has paid that price once and for all, we don't need to make sacrifices anymore

He was the last prophet God used to foretell the coming of the Messiah, after which Christ came

aressandro10 · Nov 5, 2003

oh.. now i see how u see it....

... well, in Muslim's book, Jesus is just a prophet. After him comes the last prophet Muhammad whom God gives Qoran.

In fact we dont even believe Jesus died on that cross... we believe that he was raised to the sky before he was captured.. and on his place was that traitor ( i dunno what u guys call him ) who God turned his appeareance to look like Jesus. Jesus will once again sent down to Earth at the time the world is about to end as a messiah to help the people at the ending time......

sallyinzaghi · Nov 5, 2003

i know, vit, i posted that article just so that u would understand bout the month better. i know its not in my place to say sex is better than praying, i was just using the term sex because glenn said 'when we're deprived of food and sex' thats all.

just for ur info, tho , vit, in islam when a husband and wife DO perform intercourse it wont be considered a sin as long as they repay their incompleted fasting days according to the islamic rules.

gray, can u tell me more bout malachi, i wanna see if in islam we have the same prophet, the thing is our prophets are named in arabic and i dont know what their names are in the bible (eg- musa in arabic, moses in the bible)

and wats the diff with the new and old testament?

Zizou · Nov 5, 2003

Gray - the last prophet was John the Baptist, no??

aressandro - tll me more about that story of Jesus rising before dying. Never heard it before. But there is historic proof that he died on the cross so it's quite a fact.

vit - you mean the catholics in poland?

vitoria_Ally · Nov 5, 2003

Ok I see.

Really?
How can they repay their incompleted fasting days?
I hope you dont mind me asking, I'm curious, since you've mentioned that.

Glenn: yes, I meant them. Cause in fact I know everything about Catholics here, not in other countries.

KB824 · Nov 5, 2003

++ [ originally posted by aressandro10 ] ++

oh.. now i see how u see it....

... well, in Muslim's book, Jesus is just a prophet. After him comes the last prophet Muhammad whom God gives Qoran.

In fact we dont even believe Jesus died on that cross... we believe that he was raised to the sky before he was captured.. and on his place was that traitor ( i dunno what u guys call him ) who God turned his appeareance to look like Jesus. Jesus will once again sent down to Earth at the time the world is about to end as a messiah to help the people at the ending time......

That would be Judas.

OK, there's my 2 cents.

Good Day.

sallyinzaghi · Nov 5, 2003

i dont mind at all

there are many options for those who had sex during ramadhan to repay their missed fasting days, as having sex during the day in ramadhan would mean they cannot continue their fast for the day.

1) you can fast for two months in a row
- this is impossible for a woman as a woman who is having period could not fast.

or

2) you can free a slave
-i don't think they exist anymore..

or

3)you can give food to 60 ppl who are in poverty

so if both the husband and wife does one of the above, their fasting days would be considered complete.

sallyinzaghi · Nov 5, 2003

okay i know u asked aressandro but i just cant resist so sue me

this is from the holy Quran :

"That they said (in boast), 'We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah'; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, when no certain knowledge, But only conjecture to follow, for a surety they killed him not."

"Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself, and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;"

"And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death, and on the day of judgement he will be a witness against them;" ( Suraa An-Nisaa', 157-159 )

explanation :-

Jesus was charged with blasphemy by the Jews and was about to be crucified, however, God put a man in Jesus's place on the cross (appearing to be Jesus to the eyes of the Jews who wanted to crucify him) and it was the man who in the end was crucified, but since he appeared to look like jesus, the Jews believe they have crucified Jesus.

The story behind the man was, if I am not mistaken (I have to go check for more information) he was a friend of Jesus's and betrayed Jesus. When Jesus was about to be crucified he regretted betraying Jesus and in the end it was he who went up to the cross to pay for his betrayal.

Jesus, then, was sent up to God by God, and Muslims now believe he is 'up there'. Jesus will remain there till the last days of the world where Jesus would come down to the earth again. When the Final Day came, everyone and everything would die, and so would Jesus.

SilvLightning · Nov 5, 2003

Very interesting explanation sallyinzaghi, I've never heard it before.

gray · Nov 5, 2003

Hmm I thought I already answered this

To put it simply again:

The Old Testament tells of the beginning of the world, the fall of man (corruption by sin), the prophesying of the Saviour to come and save man.

New Testament - The coming of Christ the Saviour, his death and resurrection

Luke 1:76
And you, my child, will be called a prophet of the Most High;
for you will go on before the Lord to prepare the way for him,

John the Baptist wasn't exactly a prophet in the same sense as the Old Testament. The OT prophets were around hundreds of years before Christ's birth, but John the Baptist was sent to prepare the way for Jesus.

What I'm wondering is, if Jesus preached in so many cities, and stayed there for long periods of time, wouldn't the people of the cities (especially the disciples) recognise him, and realise that it's not Jesus on the cross? He was very famous, and Jesus' mother even saw him on the cross, so wouldn't she have realised if it wasn't actually him on the cross?

Also, when was the transition made between Jesus and this 'imposter'? Since Jesus was teaching and praying before he was arrested and held in custody, wouldn't the other disciples have realised that this 'imposter' isn't Jesus, as soon as he tried to teach them in the same way that Christ did?

vitoria_Ally · Nov 5, 2003

++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++

i dont mind at all

there are many options for those who had sex during ramadhan to repay their missed fasting days, as having sex during the day in ramadhan would mean they cannot continue their fast for the day.

1) you can fast for two months in a row
- this is impossible for a woman as a woman who is having period could not fast.

or

2) you can free a slave
-i don't think they exist anymore..

or

3)you can give food to 60 ppl who are in poverty

so if both the husband and wife does one of the above, their fasting days would be considered complete.

These repairs are rather hard, dont you have any lighter repairs?

Yeah, and interesting explanation about Jesus, always good to know, how other people see that.

vitoria_Ally · Nov 5, 2003

Silvia :cheesy:
I havent seen you for so long :frown:
Where have you been?

Majed · Nov 5, 2003

There maybe historic proof that "someone" died on the cross, but does that mean it was Jesus himself (PBUH)?

Also, if you're refering to the "Shroud of Turin," it's actually not a fact that it was Jesus (PBUH). The Carbon Dating tests show that it's no more than 700 years old. Also, the way the body was buried doesn't match the way the jews buried long ago. there are a lot of uncertinties.

Can you give me proof?

Majed · Nov 5, 2003

makes you think twice about breaking fast doesn't it?!

vitoria_Ally · Nov 5, 2003

That's the first thought I had, after reading list of repairs

aressandro10 · Nov 5, 2003

or you can just have sex at nights as usual.... you hardly thinking of doing sex when you stomach is empty anyway....

vitoria_Ally · Nov 5, 2003

I'm not going to go through matters of faith here, and not about "Shroud of Turin" for sure, but little historical review.

About crosses: it was common, normal punishement those days, people who were judged and got sentence (it wasnt even death sentence, in many cases it was just a sentence: cross sentence) - the punishment was a cross. And I cant take a risk and say: 100% have been crossed, cause it's impossible to count that, but he was judged as common criminal, so the one and the only one penalty for that was cross, so it's hard to dicuss, that he didnt die in this way, that someone could be crossed, not him.
So it wasnt some unusual punishment for Jesus, it was normal punishment for everyone.

Well, I hope I explained it well.

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