Racism in Italy (3 Viewers)
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int: shake on it? 
I dont mean its the mitigating factor only, but one of the bigger ones. A quite different nationalism identity (the kind that enabled spain and Italy to have fascism) then England and France for example is also a big factor.
And saying they arent so multi-cultural doesnt mean the country is all void of people of other races and cultures, but they dont have the same colonial history as the former big powers UK and France and not nearly not as multi-cultural . Its different with them because they have had people of other races as slaves, and then eventually incorporated them to their societies as regular citizen throughout the centuries or received alot of immigrations for a long time too (NOT the same experience for Spain and Italy in this case). There will allways be racists, but these two countries has had more lessons to grow a tolerance throughout a long period of time due to familiarity with different people (huge chunk of their population are of other races etc due to migration and so on), while other countries havent in the same way (they havent had the same experience to grow more tolerant, instead of just whole nations being inately racists, more about experience with other races and cultures).
For example when I mentionned Eastern Europes problem with intolerance, they would have way less of an issue if they had same experience and history with other people like UK and France (its not about knowing OF other people, but living with people of other races and cultures for a long time, getting used to them, and realising they are just normal people, thats a different experience to knowing of other races and cultures, but not really knowing anything of them in first hand, intolerance and ignorance grows in that kind of inviroment), but only until recently (fall of Berlin wall), not many people of those countries had encountered different people in way of non-europeans or other really different cultures in first hand (while again, frenchies or englishmen has been around and lived with them since 18th century and such).
Your funny history lesson was not needed or relevant (though understandable to get confused on what I specifically meant, but I DID NOT ignore 2000 year old history, wasnt just relevant to what I said), considering I was referring to modern day history of nations and not Roman era or pre-industrialism eras, but specifically modern history of nation states (for Italy since 1870s basically), and plus encountering other races and cultures that far back ago didnt mean you were more tolerant, or grew more tolerant due to encountering them (didnt mean they didnt look them on them less, just encountered them to do conqueroring or trade), because you actually didnt live with them as you do on modern day Europe, and hence be able to get used to them more (Thats the difference with a black dude being able to walk way unbothered in England, while you can face racism openly in places like Poland or Serbia etc).
P.S I realise you thought I meant something else due to being unclear, but NOTICE how I didnt insult you even once in this post? Despite the fact of your rather unamicable approach in previous post (btw, it was funny because it was silly as fuck). But aslong as you think its cool, but while you insult, feel free to address the actual post with relevance.
And saying they arent so multi-cultural doesnt mean the country is all void of people of other races and cultures, but they dont have the same colonial history as the former big powers UK and France and not nearly not as multi-cultural . Its different with them because they have had people of other races as slaves, and then eventually incorporated them to their societies as regular citizen throughout the centuries or received alot of immigrations for a long time too (NOT the same experience for Spain and Italy in this case). There will allways be racists, but these two countries has had more lessons to grow a tolerance throughout a long period of time due to familiarity with different people (huge chunk of their population are of other races etc due to migration and so on), while other countries havent in the same way (they havent had the same experience to grow more tolerant, instead of just whole nations being inately racists, more about experience with other races and cultures).
For example when I mentionned Eastern Europes problem with intolerance, they would have way less of an issue if they had same experience and history with other people like UK and France (its not about knowing OF other people, but living with people of other races and cultures for a long time, getting used to them, and realising they are just normal people, thats a different experience to knowing of other races and cultures, but not really knowing anything of them in first hand, intolerance and ignorance grows in that kind of inviroment), but only until recently (fall of Berlin wall), not many people of those countries had encountered different people in way of non-europeans or other really different cultures in first hand (while again, frenchies or englishmen has been around and lived with them since 18th century and such).
Your funny history lesson was not needed or relevant (though understandable to get confused on what I specifically meant, but I DID NOT ignore 2000 year old history, wasnt just relevant to what I said), considering I was referring to modern day history of nations and not Roman era or pre-industrialism eras, but specifically modern history of nation states (for Italy since 1870s basically), and plus encountering other races and cultures that far back ago didnt mean you were more tolerant, or grew more tolerant due to encountering them (didnt mean they didnt look them on them less, just encountered them to do conqueroring or trade), because you actually didnt live with them as you do on modern day Europe, and hence be able to get used to them more (Thats the difference with a black dude being able to walk way unbothered in England, while you can face racism openly in places like Poland or Serbia etc).
P.S I realise you thought I meant something else due to being unclear, but NOTICE how I didnt insult you even once in this post? Despite the fact of your rather unamicable approach in previous post (btw, it was funny because it was silly as fuck). But aslong as you think its cool, but while you insult, feel free to address the actual post with relevance.
I deleted the part about Eastern Europe. Others are more capable of answering your ideas there. As for the insulting bit, it was funny as hell. So yeah, I did think it was cool and to put it bluntly your ass was whipped my friend.
You're still claiming it's a factor. After all I taught you last night. You're being a very poor student. It is NOT a factor. It's not even close to being a factor. It's just NOT true. There cannot be a correlation between a limited presence of other races in Italy and racism in Italy if there is no limited presence!
Then on to your second paragraph. I don't know what the first phrase means. I don't get it. If I'm not mistaken you're relating a colonial history to a not-so-racist presence. So now history is important. If it serves you, it is relevant. Next you say they had slaves of other races who then went on to become normal citizens. As they did in ... THE ROMAN EMPIRE! Why are you so keen on denying the existence of the Roman Empire? What did they ever do to you? Italy and Spain have known far more migrations than the UK by the way. It's an ISLAND, you know. Spain was ruled by Arabs, Italy was ruled by northern barbarians and Africans have been trying to peddle their way to both countries for an odd 50 years.
The third paragraph. It's like taking candy from a baby. 1870 you say. You consider Italy in 1870 a nation? I don't. People from Turin weren't the same as people from Palermo. They didn't speak the same language, didn't look the same and didn't eat the same. I'd say they were different cultures. Which means there isn't even a basis for your wider argument. You don't make sense, my brother and you're trying to talk your way out of it.
Let's face it: you were talking bullshit before.
You're still claiming it's a factor. After all I taught you last night. You're being a very poor student. It is NOT a factor. It's not even close to being a factor. It's just NOT true. There cannot be a correlation between a limited presence of other races in Italy and racism in Italy if there is no limited presence!
Then on to your second paragraph. I don't know what the first phrase means. I don't get it. If I'm not mistaken you're relating a colonial history to a not-so-racist presence. So now history is important. If it serves you, it is relevant. Next you say they had slaves of other races who then went on to become normal citizens. As they did in ... THE ROMAN EMPIRE! Why are you so keen on denying the existence of the Roman Empire? What did they ever do to you? Italy and Spain have known far more migrations than the UK by the way. It's an ISLAND, you know. Spain was ruled by Arabs, Italy was ruled by northern barbarians and Africans have been trying to peddle their way to both countries for an odd 50 years.
The third paragraph. It's like taking candy from a baby. 1870 you say. You consider Italy in 1870 a nation? I don't. People from Turin weren't the same as people from Palermo. They didn't speak the same language, didn't look the same and didn't eat the same. I'd say they were different cultures. Which means there isn't even a basis for your wider argument. You don't make sense, my brother and you're trying to talk your way out of it.
Let's face it: you were talking bullshit before.
I wont bother argumenting you as I said when post like this is what I have to face, but I take back on not insulting you.
You are an absolute Grade A dickhead. We were pointing how much it takes to be an asshole in another thread this past week, and I was saying how hard it is to be a true asshole. But it comes very natural to your absolutely moronic self.
You are an absolute Grade A dickhead. We were pointing how much it takes to be an asshole in another thread this past week, and I was saying how hard it is to be a true asshole. But it comes very natural to your absolutely moronic self.
